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To: IncPen

“Clearly in your world, black people in chains is the preferable arc of history, with the rest of us sitting on the veranda sipping julep”.

Lincoln didn’t give a damn about slaves and only made slavery an issue when he wanted a “moral” reason to murder Southerners. He was also scared to death that England would side with the CSA so he started mouthing off about how bad slavery was, knowing that he would get sympathy from England. And never forget his bogus Emancipation didn’t free the first slave. He has no jurisdiction in the CSA, and of course didn’t “free” any slaves in the border states of Maryland and Kentucky. There it was perfectly OK to keep your slaves if you were helping Lincol conduct mass genocide on the Southern states.

Lincoln was a lying, two-bit railroad lawyer who was the doing the bidding of the Northern Industrial millionares who controlled him. Here’s what he really thought about slaves.

“I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything.”

by:

Abraham Lincoln
(1809-1865) 16th US President
Source:

Fourth Debate with Stephen A. Douglas at Charleston, Illinois, September 18, 1858
(The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume III, pp. 145-146.)


18 posted on 10/15/2012 4:21:12 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet
It's 2012. I can't believe you're defending slavery.

Do you boys still wear the white robe and the pointy hats?

Like most cowards, you enjoy the luxury of hindsight and cherry-picked quotations.

If you can find that Lincoln disdained blacks before 1860, certainly you can find his quotes and writings from after 1860-- when it actually mattered. His views evolved, and he had to deal with something that you clearly don't: reality.

It's immediately obvious to anyone looking at Lincoln that, whatever he said before the war, he thought differently once he was in it. And he was in it before he was sworn in.

Lincoln didn’t give a damn about slaves and only made slavery an issue when he wanted a “moral” reason to murder Southerners.

You're saying he hated blacks, and wanted to murder southerners? Really? Seems to me that if Lincoln hated blacks he'd have let the south go.

But the logical outcome of the war was the freeing of slaves; he pursued the war with the intention of winning. The question of 'southern independence' is moot, because 'the south' was inextricably linked to slavery. Lincoln was defending the Constitution for all men. That's something that you boys in the robes don't mention much in your defense of the south: the Constitution. Or slavery, you always leave out slavery. Wonder why?

I'll further point out (against your claim that Lincoln was looking to murder southerners) that his wife was from Kentucky, a southern state. Her brothers fought in the Confederate Army (a number were killed); one brother served the CSA as a surgeon. Even a cursory reading of history is enough to disprove your idiotic assertions. Lincoln did not want war, and he did not relish the death of anyone, north or south.

And never forget his bogus Emancipation didn’t free the first slave.

Your idea is that he shouldn't have issued it?

Lincoln made the moral case that slavery was wrong, and it was issued it became impossible to separate slavery from the argument. For a historical corollary as to how this type of leadership works, go look up the Venona Papers; read about the effect that Reagan calling the Soviet Union an 'Evil Empire' had upon the Soviet army generals. Then come back and argue your point.

Lincoln was a lying, two-bit railroad lawyer who was the doing the bidding of the Northern Industrial millionares who controlled him.

He got elected President twice, and is admired the world over as an icon of freedom. He answered to his conscience, not the newspaper or industrialists.

Tell me: what have you got?

Didn't think so.

Small man, anyone?

21 posted on 10/15/2012 6:10:51 PM PDT by IncPen (Educating Barack Obama has been the most expensive project in human history)
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