Posted on 09/29/2012 8:44:00 PM PDT by little jeremiah
LIBERTY, Mo. – Prosecutors are charging a Missouri woman with forging her father's signature on a document doctors relied on to take him off of life support.
Legal experts say there's little precedent in the case, which essentially accuses her of "death by forgery."
Retired accountant William Van Note and his companion were shot by a home intruder in October 2010. Sharon Dickson was killed and Van Note was critically wounded by a gunshot to the head.
He died four days later, after 44-year-old Susan Elizabeth Van Note told doctors her father would prefer to die rather than be kept alive by medical intervention.
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
really? so when Daid slew Goliath was that murder or was it just plain killing?
A) I did not whine
B) Since it is a public forum I can read and react as I wish
C) You are very illogical and strange
I responded to one person’s post who chose to use the term moral absolutes. It was a response to that. Every response since then has been to folks like you who apparently ant to talk to me rather than comment on the article. So have fun
Ah at least a question about the article.
Nah the lady in the article IF (and I don’t know and she hasn’t been found guilty yet——but the way the article is written sounds likely) she forged his signature is absolutely wrong. She is an attorney so who knows what she night be capable of.
So when you said she was brain dead, you didn’t mean actually technically brain dead. It’s just something you say when you want to insult someone. Got it. Now you’re saying that she was actually alive, but in a state that you deemed to be not worth living. No wonder you’re having a meltdown.
You jump on a thread about a woman who murdered her father and entwine an argument/justification for your decision to kill your “brain-dead” mom into the thread...and I am the odd one here?
It’s just nutty - illogical - that you are associating the situation of this article (murder) with what you did with your mom which does not sound like murder. Maybe you are a libertarian. That would explain your inability to morally discern the details of these kind of situations in life.
You made it about you.
Not every response has been about you. You also defended the behavior Van Note is accused of, saying that there is no moral absolute at play there. There most certainly is. Murder is always wrong.
You keep insisting that does not fall within the realm of a moral absolute. Explain how this crime could possibly be an exception to that rule.
In my several comments on this thread, I have commented on the article. You made a comment specifically to me so I figured it was okay to reply! Plus you used the phrase “moral abslutes” and since I pinged this to my Moral Absolutes ping list, I thought it was okay to address you about that.
If you don’t want replies, don’t make comments.
I just pinged this article out; for some reason moral cretins (or at least one, haven’t read the whole thread yet) made sure the thread got sent to the Smokey Backroom, I have no idea why it was made a target.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2938405/posts
Today’s ‘palliative care’ disrespects the natural law
Thanks for that link.
I have no idea why the mod moved the thread instead of deleting the hijacking. I did not read it all either. It took a wierd turn early on for a thread about forged documents and murder charges. I’m pretty sure the words “moral absolute” set her off in a thread hijacking to justify herself disconnecting her mom from life support.
In my conservative world there’s not much disagreement about murder and forgery being absolutely immoral. But that is just me and I learned from the brilliant (libertarian, I’m guessing from the group think verbage and pitiful “pose”) pro-murder/forgery debaters here that I am “illogical” and “drunk” for noticing. :0 idk. idc so much, either.
Don’t worry about it LJ. If it trails the words “moral absolutes” then you will know it is serious amoral deathtards trying to hijack the whole forum in support of deathcare. I doubt what showed up here is that clever to have a solid train of thought from hour to hour; day to day.
To the rest of the people CCed on this — this is happening one county to the north of me. It's not a story I've followed closely because it is out of my coverage area. However, I would appreciate a ping to future articles on this case.
For those who don't know the Lake of the Ozarks, it is an upscale lakefront vacation area on a manmade lake created by a hydroelectric dam. Lakefront property values are so high that it's one of the wealthiest areas — perhaps **THE** wealthiest — in rural Missouri. That means the prosecutor has the financial wherewithal to push this potentially precedent-setting case, unlike a lot of rural areas where the case would not be handled as well as it might be in a major urban area.
For Nifster — anyone who questions that forging a signature on a do-not-resuscitate-order, a living will, or anything else of that sort either doesn't understand the issues or has a really low view of human life. I'm not sure what your motive is on this, but given your fairly recent sign-up date, I'd strongly urge you to be careful before you push this too far. Euthanasia is not something tolerated very well on Free Republic.
I want to give people the benefit of the doubt. I'm fairly sure you're going to reply that you're not advocating euthanasia but rather carrying out your mother's previously declared wishes about what should be done if she became brain-dead, and that's probably true or you wouldn't be on Free Republic today. However, given the history of some pro-death people who in the past tried to push their views on Free Republic before it became crystal clear that such things won't be tolerated here, not everyone here is going to be as careful as I try to be in evaluating why people say what they say.
This is a very emotional issue for many of us, and for many more who are not personally invested in this on an emotional level, we may have very strong convictions about the issues involved.
Caution in this case might be prudent...
Nifster, please see post #51. I forgot to add you to the ping list... it is rude to talk about someone without pinging them, and that was an honest mistake on my part.
Please take to heart what I wrote. I am pretty sure you mean well and just aren’t aware of past history before it became clear that Free Republic was pro-life. Some really bad stuff used to happen and bad memories can cause strong reactions.
Low volume ping list
FReepmail me to be on, or off, this list.
Just as an aside, I will NEVER go gently into that good night. I know what is waiting for me and it is MUCH better than what is here and I will still fight to my last breath to draw another.
The pulled thread got restored, minus the insane and nasty personal attacks.
It was merely personal attacks, nothing about the topic at hand. SOP for the poster actually.
Sigh....
back later.
It’s back in News/Activism.
A) I am pro life.
B) I am a conservative.
C) so nice to know that my one comment has so many in a panic. I don’t have that kind of power. I made a statement end of story
D) Talk about me all you want. I really don’t care.
E) All of the couch psychologists can have what ever opinion they want. I know what the truth is
I minght add to your comments regarding the area and the case, as the people killed were neighbors of mine, and I was just a quarter-mile away the night they were killed.
First of all, the 75 year old Lake of the Ozarks is a mix of economic conditions. You are correct that there are some very expensive lake front homes, but there are also thousands of small, old and new modest lakefront cabins. There are a lot of local full time residents with modest incomes — Camden County a few years ago had the largest percentage of people on some form of public assistance of all the counties in Missouri — thats how modest a lot of the incomes are down there.
That being said, there are a large number of the local year round population of very modest resources, that are fine neighbors — some of the real clowns are the guys that are high powered vacation owners that have a lot of money and think they can have there way with all issues at their vacation property.
There is 1,200 miles of shoreline with 60% of that with lakefront homes with docks as well as second tier homes and large lakefront multistory condominiums. Compared to many lakefront areas in the country, it is very economical.
The reason this charge was brought in Boone County is that is the location of the hospital where Von Note was airlifted to when they were trying to keep him alive. They have not fully shown their cards as to what charges Camden County / Sunrise Beach may bring as they are trying to use this first charge to get an advantage on the daughter who apparantly forged the DNR directive.
Most of us assumed that it was a family member, and likely her, they had decided was the culprit as local investigators kept a low profile after the first 60 days when they had gathered the on-site evidence. The daughter lost no time in putting the three story large lakefront home up for sale.
Von Note had an accounting business and a lot of old property on the old square in Liberty, Missouri. His girl friend and he got together many years earlier when she leased property from him to run a Floral business on the square. Their possible impending marriage was a big threat to the daughter’s ability to inherit and I think he had some health problems. As a couple, they were spending much of what he had, living a full and active retirement with a place in Florida as well.
When you hear of a double murder a few hundred yards away of someone you sort of knew, it becomes an issue you follow.
Thankfully; but the offensive comments drove a lot of people away.
Not a good experience.
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