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Buck up, FReepers - we are all being manipulated. McLaughlin is a long-time pollster who knows his stuff.
1 posted on 09/21/2012 6:32:02 AM PDT by TonyInOhio
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To: TonyInOhio

I don’t care what the so-called polls say, Romney is going to be the next President.

Bank on it.


2 posted on 09/21/2012 6:38:36 AM PDT by Obadiah (The Hunger Games -- Obama's vision for America)
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To: TonyInOhio

I don’t think this is going to work this time. Anti-Obama voters will show up in mass to cast a vote against Obama and for Romney, just for the pleasure of doing so. I would crawl over broken glass to vote against Obama, just to show the bastard I can. I’ve waited years for the opportunity. 40% of likely voters despise Obama. Fraudulent polling data will not keep them home, however, it may lull lazy, disengaged Obama voters into a false confidence that they don’t need to show up..


5 posted on 09/21/2012 6:47:08 AM PDT by KansasGirl ("If you have a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."--B. Hussein Obama)
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To: TonyInOhio

We see it in our lives everyday. In 2008 you could not find an ear to listen to who we knew Obama is.(A full blown Marxist). Today you cannot find anyone to say anything nice about him and open discussion everywhere about how people can’t wait to see him go.


6 posted on 09/21/2012 6:47:12 AM PDT by liberty or death
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To: TonyInOhio
There’s no wave right now.

I disagree. We are in the second election of a Republican wave that started before 2010.

7 posted on 09/21/2012 6:47:39 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: TonyInOhio
I had got so sick of the liberal MSM trying to coronate Obama and dispirit Republican’s with their cooked polls, that I've given up listening to the news and political commentary (other than an hour or so of Fox in the evening and Rush's first hour). I even turn off the radio at the top of the hour so I don't have to hear the bilge they call news. So far, I've been doing it for one week, at it's amazing how much better I feel...even my blood pressure is back in the normal range.
11 posted on 09/21/2012 6:51:07 AM PDT by apillar
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"...the 2000 Gore campaign’s lobbying the networks’ exit pollsters for an early, and wrong, call in Florida. This suppressed the Florida Panhandle and Western state turnout.”"

At the time of the election there was a bit of talk about a Texas polling and PR agency that was hired by the DNC and Gore to call Florida voters and 'inform' them that their votes may not have been counted. When the election was taken to court that news quickly disappeared and was not brought up again. But, it was clear at the time that dem strategy was to influence the election both in Florida and on the west coast by directly interfering with voters.

15 posted on 09/21/2012 6:54:57 AM PDT by Baynative
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To: TonyInOhio
The O’Bunga supporters may be growing louder but I don't think they're growing. From everything I've seen, his numbers are down in every demo and category compared to 2008. Another ‘tell’ is the D oversampling to the point of being laughable.
16 posted on 09/21/2012 6:56:14 AM PDT by JPG (Make it happen)
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To: TonyInOhio

2 words:

Scott Walker, Governor- Wisconsin!


17 posted on 09/21/2012 7:02:22 AM PDT by shotgun
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sfl


19 posted on 09/21/2012 7:03:56 AM PDT by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: TonyInOhio

Wonderful post...thanks.
It confirms what I had heard after the 2008 debacle...new black voters for the “halfrican” but only 10% total of population made some difference but in the end, it was McLame as a horrible candidate and not supporting Sarah that kept true Pubbie base voters home, they too thinking Obummer may not be THAT bad.
They were wrong, they know it and they will turn out for Mitt to bury Obozo.


21 posted on 09/21/2012 7:10:17 AM PDT by matginzac
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OBummo is going to lose big. Just get out there on Nov 6th and vote. No excuses.


27 posted on 09/21/2012 7:16:36 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: TonyInOhio
I had reached a similar conclusion not long ago. Polls are being used for PROPAGANDA purposes, particularly for “Dear Leader” by the Obama Stooge “Mainstream Media.”

I read a story in World Net Daily recently about financiers buying a huge house in Hawaii for Dear Leader since his internal polling shows that he cannot win in November. Move in time is January 2013. That could just be propaganda and is no excuse for not getting out to vote in November.

The thing to take away here: IGNORE the polls and GET OUT AND VOTE!! The future of our great Republic depends on it!

36 posted on 09/21/2012 7:37:34 AM PDT by VRWCRick
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"I'm voting for Obama because I know he's not finished yet."

37 posted on 09/21/2012 7:40:42 AM PDT by Obadiah (The Hunger Games -- Obama's vision for America)
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“But the vast majority say that they are definitely or very likely to vote. They’re voting.”

Hmmmm. That’s not so good — I thought we were counting on low enthusiasm on their side?


38 posted on 09/21/2012 7:41:14 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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One of the most memorable classes which I ever took was from a junior professor who had once worked under Richard Wirthlin (Reagan's pollster). She not only told us about but showed and explained the methodology by which Wirthlin predicted and even underestimated the 1980 Reagan landslide.

Traditional Democrat voting groups had lied to pollsters in spades out of fear of rebuke from Kool-Aid drinkers who held some power over them (union, dependence, etc.) but which Wirthlin's group was able to filter out with leading questions.

Unfortunately, I don't think that will happen this time around because the country is so much dumber than it was in 1980 and so demographically changed. At best, Romney barely breaks 300 electoral votes.

40 posted on 09/21/2012 7:44:52 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: TonyInOhio

Roughly 90 million people eligible to vote in 2008 didn’t show up at the polls...where are they, and what will they do in 2012?


59 posted on 09/21/2012 8:29:30 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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You know what I think of “voters” that don’t vote for the man they want because they aren’t sure he’s going to win?

20% of the people in this country are like that. They are worthless turds.

I am going to vote for my candidate if I am in the last state and he has already lost the first 49. I am casting my damn vote.


62 posted on 09/21/2012 8:36:33 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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Ah I see. Another Nate Silver bot. You are merely regurgitating the Leftist propaganda he is putting out.

Nate Silver is a Obama donor and Leftist blogger at the NY Times. He bases his analysis on polls oversampling Democrats anywhere from 4-11 points. It is a classic case of garbage in garbage out analysis.

Basing all your opinions on Silver’s analysis is the equivalent of turning into Radio Berlin in 1942 to find out how the Allied War effort is going


70 posted on 09/21/2012 9:04:16 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: TonyInOhio

Anyone walking the streets and talking to people can tell you the polling is crap. At least some of it. When you look at the internals you see facts that are undeiable, but the overall results are pure nonsense.

The enthusiasm for Obama is GONE folks, wilted away like a picked dandilion flower... Its just gone. Yes the hard core leftists are solid for him, but the rest of the population (yes that includes black americans) is not there.. those who admit to vote for him are either rabid about it (small loud minority) or at best tepid in their admitance, there is no fire in the belly, no passion.

At least 10-20 of democrats I talk to, life long, union, blue dog dems are openly stating they will vote for Romney. Independents/swing voters are roughly 2 to 1 for Romney (against Obama).

Obama isn’t going to get over 42-43% of the popular vote, hes not going to carry a single state he didn’t get at LEAST 55% of the popular vote in 2008.

This isn’t a horse race folks, this isn’t a race at all. Yes team obama is out there, going through the motions, but I firmly believe this is all just bread and circuses. I place far more belief in the reports than the Obama’s have already picked out the home in Hawaii they intend to move into in January, than I do any news story claiming this is neck and neck.

Now, as I have said, WORK LIKE ITS NECK AND NECK! Drag yourself over broken glass to vote.. but don’t think for one minute this thing is close... Its just not. Fight like it is, but its not.. show up, make sure everyone you know shows up, don’t let the psyops attempts to depress you take root, this is all nonsense.


80 posted on 09/21/2012 9:59:08 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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Quinnipiac Polling's Peter Brown Tries To Defend Oversampling Democrats In New State Polls

HH: But I don’t know how that goes to the issue, Peter, so help me. I’m not being argumentative, I really want to know. Why would guys run a poll with nine percent more Democrats than Republicans when that percentage advantage, I mean, if you’re trying to tell people how the state is going to go, I don’t think this is particularly helpful, because you’ve oversampled Democrats, right?

PB: But we didn’t set out to oversample Democrats. We did our normal, random digit dial way of calling people. And there were, these are likely voters. They had to pass a screen. Because it’s a presidential year, it’s not a particularly heavy screen.

HH: And so if, in fact, you had gotten a hundred Democrats out of a hundred respondents that answered, would you think that poll was reliable?

PB: Probably not at 100 out of 100.

HH: Okay, so if it was 75 out of 100…

PB: Well, I mean…

HH: I mean, when does it become unreliable? You know you’ve just put your foot on the slope, so I’m going to push you down it. When does it become unreliable?

PB: Like the Supreme Court and pornography, you know it when you see it.

HH: Well, a lot of us look at a nine point advantage in Florida, and we say we know that to be the polling equivalent of pornography. Why am I wrong?

PB: Because what we found when we made the actual calls is this kind of party ID.

HH: Do you expect Democrats, this is a different question, do you, Peter Brown, expect Democrats to have a nine point registration advantage when the polls close on November 6th in Florida?

PB: Well, first, you don’t mean registration.

HH: I mean, yeah, turnout.

PB: Do I think…I think it is probably unlikely.

HH: And so what value is this poll if in fact it doesn’t weight for the turnout that’s going to be approximated?

PB: Well, you’ll have to judge that. I mean, you know, our record is very good. You know, we do independent polling. We use random digit dial. We use human beings to make our calls. We call cell phones as well as land lines. We follow the protocol that is the professional standard.

HH: As we say, that might be the case, but I don’t know it’s responsive to my question. My question is, should we trust this as an accurate predictor of what will happen? You’ve already told me there…

PB: It’s an accurate predictor of what would happen is the election were today.

HH: But that’s, again, I don’t believe that, because today, Democrats wouldn’t turn out by a nine point advantage. I don’t think anyone believes today, if you held the election today, do you think Democrats would turn out nine percentage points higher than Republicans?

PB: If the election were today, yeah. What we found is obviously a large Democratic advantage.

HH: I mean, you really think that’s true? I mean, as a professional, you believe that Democrats have a nine point turnout advantage in Florida?

PB: Our record has been very good. You know, Hugh, I…

HH: That’s not responsive. It’s just a question. Do you personally, Peter, believe that Democrats enjoy a nine point turnout advantage right now?

PB: What I believe is what we found.

HH: Geez, I just, and an eight point in Ohio? I’m from Ohio. Democrats haven’t had an eight point advantage in Ohio since before the Civil War. I mean, that just never happens, but Peter, I appreciate your coming on. I’m not persuaded that Quinnipiac Polls haven’t hurt themselves today, but I appreciate your willingness to come on and talk about it.

End of interview.


83 posted on 09/21/2012 10:30:00 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (2008 + IN, NE1, NC, FL, VA, OH, IA = 272EV)
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