What You Can Do To Help Romney Beat Obama

Examples of your nastiness of behavior, and how your testimony for Christ have been severely harmed, are replete, and they don’t remain in FR, but your poor example of ‘how a Christian should then act’ has gone into other forums, where others are making fun of you because they are disgusted with your unChristlike behavior.

So you cannot up your accusations; eh?

And you want OTHERS to do the work FOR you?

I hope you ain't a lawyer!

Accuser of the Brethren.

That’s sounds mighty familar.

Your actions and behaviors, which are in contradiction to Scripture, are evidence that you have failed to find the road upon which Christ and Paul admonished Christians to walk.

Once again; you ACCUSE with no evidence.

Don't the Scriptures mean ANYTHING to you?

Isn't it OBVIOUS that I am NOT listening to you?

Matthew 18:16 (niv)

But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that 'every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.'

SURELY you can find another WITNESS to my FLAGRANT, non-Christian actions!

Heck; most would even be happy to see the evidence THAT YOU ARE CLAIMING TO HAVE!

...but Christ said we are to look at behaviors...

Well then; now HERE is something you can SURELY document!

If Christ were posting on this board Himself, He would never display the same ugliness of spirit, behavior, and speech as can daily be found with the groupies, yet they think they are His ambassadors.

Matthew 23

1. Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
2. "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
3. So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.
4. They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5. "Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long;
6. they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;
7. they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them `Rabbi.'
8. "But you are not to be called `Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers.
9. And do not call anyone on earth `father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
10. Nor are you to be called `teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ.
11. The greatest among you will be your servant.
12. For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
13. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
14. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.
15. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.
16. "Woe to you, blind guides! You say, `If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.'
17. You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
18. You also say, `If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.'
19. You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
20. Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
21. And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
22. And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.
23. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
24. You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
25. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
26. Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
27. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.
28. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
29. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
30. And you say, `If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.'
31. So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.
32. Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!
33. "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
34. Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.
35. And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.
36. I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
37. "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing.
38. Look, your house is left to you desolate.
39. For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, `Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.' "

RE :”Why was I pinged to this thread?”

Because you are one hell of a fighter Elsie.

I have seen you on the LDS and the ‘Romney will save us’ threads being attacked outnumbered and called every name in the book by the LDSers, the Romney bots and the ABBOers and you don't flinch. You don't get discouraged or frustrated, instead you kick their butts. You post facts.

And also I learned about the LDS from you. I saved my own copy of that Robert Millet LDS training video, it's an eye opener.

This ones a gem:

:”Lurkers, please send me a private message and I will give you a list of more names from which you can conduct a search and see for yourself the posts of at least a dozen who belong to this vile group.”ref comment #152

OH-OH, the nutbag (OOOPS, I mean God's messenger) is keeping a secret list and I fear our names are on it. That could be trouble,

Last night he called me an ‘ilk’ LOL. I was laughing about that today. 'ilk' ...

Lurkers, that one crazy poster see #152 with the secret enemies list that he is FR-mailing around shows all the signs of being a LDSer cultist.
The first thing their LDS church teaches them to do is to LIE and he seems to have taken that rule to heart..

RE :”Lurkers, please send me a private message and I will give you a list of more names ...”

How can I get on your secret enemies list?
Sounds like its a badge on honor to get on your ‘I hate these freepers ’ list

Please call me an ‘ilk’ again, I need another laugh.

...but Christ said we are to look at behaviors... Well then; now HERE is something you can SURELY document!

Actually, yes, I can. Thank you for providing me the opportunity to have lurkers read passages from the Scriptures which point out exactly how those who call themselves Christian are to commanded by God to act:

Paul has much to say about how believers in Christ should conduct themselves [dozens of excerpts from Paul's writings are below]. He addressed all areas of our lives and how we should interact with others at home, work, society, and church, and whether the people we interact with are believers or, especially, unbelievers. One of Paul's greatest concerns is for a Christian to not cause others to stumble, both the believer and the unbeliever. A Christian's primary mission is to further the gospel of Christ. Jeopardizing that mission occurs when Christians act and speak in ways which are contrary to the Scriptures. Any time a Christian's behavior is in contradiction to the Scriptures, it is sin at work in their life. It becomes the responsibility of fellow believers to point out these failings so that the Holy Spirit can work to that person into alignment with how He would have them act. When a Christian sees another behaving in a manner that is contrary to Scripture, it is their duty to admonish them for such behaviors. Remaining silent in the presence of sin is sin. (2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"; Thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbor, and not suffer sin upon him." Leviticus 19:17; Acts 8:30 Philip ran up to the [the eunuch's] chariot and heard [him] reading Isaiah the prophet. "Do you understand what you are reading?" Philip asked. 31"How can I," said [the eunuch], "unless someone explains it to me?")
Paul has grave warnings for people who live lives which are virtually indistinguishable from the lives the led prior to their conversion. Leading such a life can create great spiritual harm, not only to the person sinning, but to others because the sinning Christian has become a stumbling block to another's spiritual growth and for the high probability that an unbeliever may reject Christ.
James, Jesus' brother, had much to say, as well, as to how Christians are to conduct themselves and the new purpose in their lives once they have become a Christian.
James 1:

19 My dear brothers and sisters, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, 20 because human anger does not produce the righteousness that God desires. 21 Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you. 22 Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. 23 Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like someone who looks at his face in a mirror 24 and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. 25 But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it—not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it—they will be blessed in what they do. 26 Those who consider themselves religious and yet do not keep a tight rein on their tongues deceive themselves, and their religion is worthless.
James points out that when someone is a Christian but acts as ungodly as before, their conversion has no effect on furthering the gospel of Christ. Someone who doesn't stand out as different in a good way because they are not acting and behaving better than an unsaved person is useless to God. Other Scriptures have pointed out that it goes beyond uselessness, it actually becomes a negative because it is creates greater harm with others than had that person not been saved at all. (James 2: "20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.")
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Excerpts of the Apostle Paul's writings:
Galations 5:

13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.
16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.

Galations 6:

6 Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently.
10 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.
Ephesians:

4:4 As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. 2 Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3 Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace.
20 That, however, is not the way of life you learned 21 when you heard about Christ and were taught in him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus. 22 You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23 to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24 and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.
25 Therefore each of you must put off falsehood and speak truthfully to your neighbor, for we are all members of one body. 26 “In your anger do not sin”: Do not let the sun go down while you are still angry, 27 and do not give the devil a foothold. 28 Anyone who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with their own hands, that they may have something to share with those in need.
29 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. 30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. 31 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice. 32 Be kind and compassionate to one another, forgiving each other, just as in Christ God forgave you.

Ephesians 5:

5 1 Follow God’s example, therefore, as dearly loved children 2 and walk in the way of love, just as Christ loved us and gave Himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. 8 For you were once darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Live as children of light 9 (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth) 10 and find out what pleases the Lord.
15 Be very careful, then, how you live—not as unwise but as wise, 16 making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil. 17 Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord’s will is.

Philippians:

1:27 Whatever happens, conduct yourselves in a manner worthy of the gospel of Christ.
4:8 Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.
[This is a description of Christ and His person. Think on Him before you act and speak and His Spirit can transforms your behaviors into alignment and agreement with Christ and what is Christ-like.]
Collosians:

1:9 We continually ask God to fill you with the knowledge of His will through all the wisdom and understanding that the Spirit gives, 10 so that you may live a life worthy of the Lord and please Him in every way: bearing fruit in every good work, growing in the knowledge of God, 11 being strengthened with all power according to His glorious might so that you may have great endurance and patience.
3:8 But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips.
12 Therefore, as God’s chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience.
4:5 Be wise in the way you act toward outsiders; make the most of every opportunity. 6 Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone.

As concerns Romney, on November 2, I am not electing my church deacon or elder, nor am I sending a person 'most qualified' to teach the meaning of Scripture to an unbeliever or new believer. If that was what my actions would cause on November 2 when casting my vote for a president, then God certainly would have to question my Christian understandings and beliefs. The fact is, this is a political election and I am voting for a leader of a political office.

Since November 2nd is not a vote for the primaries, then there will only be one of two men elected to office: an evil, God-hating, American-hating muslim, or a man whose religious theology I disagree with. Since it is a known fact that casting votes for third parties help incumbents, and I refuse to do anything to help that happen, I am voting for Romney. It's that simple.

thanks for the effort elsie, but this guy isnt going to overcome his fear, or quit blaming everybody else for his nominees pitiful record...

its pretty simple, really, mittens doesnt suck quite as bad as bambam, but he is still likely to be destroyed by the kenyan clown in november...especially if bambam gets another jihadi/libyan war for a couple onths...

Because you are one hell of a fighter Elsie.

HMMmm...

I have not thought of it this way.

(But; shouldn't you say "Heck" in case there might be some thinskinned MORMONs lurking?)

Ilk; eh?

Check out the Brotherhood here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2909629/posts?page=160#160

the Brotherhood IS

accepting membership.

(read the rest of the thread.)

Thank you for providing me the opportunity to have lurkers read passages from the Scriptures which point out exactly how those who call themselves Christian are to commanded by God to act:

You are quite welcome; as you now provide a lot of EVIDENCE to illustrate your point.

I shall now provide EVIDENCE to the things that I am basing MY postings on FR and elsewhere upon:

Acts 17:18-19
18. A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to dispute with him. Some of them asked, "What is this babbler trying to say?" Others remarked, "He seems to be advocating foreign gods." They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection.
19. Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him, "May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting?

Acts 18:11
So Paul stayed for a year and a half, teaching them the word of God.

Romans 15:4
For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.

1 Corinthians 4:17
For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.

1 Corinthians 11:2
2. I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings, just as I passed them on to you.

Ephesians 4:14-15
14. Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
15. Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.

2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching you received from us.

1 Timothy 1:3-4
3. As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
4. nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.

1 Timothy 1:7
  They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.

1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.

1 Timothy 4:1-2
1. The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
2. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.

1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.

1 Timothy 4:11
  Command and teach these things.

1 Timothy 6:3-5
3. If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
4. he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions
5. and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.

2 Timothy 2:15-17
15. Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
16. Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
17. Their teaching will spread like gangrene.

2 Timothy 3:16-17
16. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
17. so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

2 Timothy 4:3-4
  3. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
  4. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

Titus 1:11
They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.

Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.

Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.

Hebrews 13:9
Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.

2 Peter 2:1-3
1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.

...thinskinned MORMONs...

You VILE name caller!!

--MormonDude(What room of the embassy are you sending your screeds from???)

"Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say? (Luke 6:46)

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven." (Matthew 7:21)

“But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not! For if I build again those things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. For I through the law died to the law that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain” (Galatians 2:17-21).

“For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries" (Hebrews 10:26-27).

“As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool repeats his folly” (Proverbs 26:11).

"'A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud’” (2 Peter 2:22).

"Do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts" (Romans 6:12).

2Peter 1:5-11
"But also for this very reason, giving all diligence,

add to your faith virtue,
to virtue knowledge,
to knowledge self-control,
to self-control perseverance,
to perseverance godliness,
to godliness brotherly kindness,
and to brotherly kindness love."For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins. Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." *********
“If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town” (Matthew 10:14) "Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces" (Matthew 7:6)"

Ok; we get it!

You do NOT wish to rebuke false teachings.

Or respond to the lack of EVIDENCE of your claims.

“If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town”

It will also be self-evident that it is also your ilk who started (and has never stopped taking Scriptures out of context),

twist them to your own 'bastardizing the Lords Words in an effort to silence our opinions,"

and that you and your ilk are the ones who "screech like yer hairs on fire, attempting to bully and belittle people simply for

"disagreeing with your illogical conclusions, obnoxious behavior, bullying tactics, false claims of being 'real and true conservatives,'

and 'the most spiritually enlightened believers and faithful followers of the Lord.

And after watching you and your ilk post in this manner to others, some of you for years now, I am standing up for the Truth and combating your orgasmic lies and Scripture twisting.

Lurkers can search on your name, Elsie, and find a multitude of posts, in your case, dating back YEARS, wherein you twist the Scriptures and act contrary to them in your behavior.

you accused me of twisting Scripture, now put up or STFU...

Gilbo; it look like he don't wanna do either!!