Posted on 09/10/2012 11:32:30 PM PDT by nickcarraway
Edited on 09/10/2012 11:58:13 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Scooping up votes in swing states is how Paul Ryan serves Mitt Romney best. And what better dissatisfied liberal bloc for the Republicans to court than marijuana supporters, stunned by President Obama's total betrayal?
Hence the vice presidential candidate's stance in a college town in swinging Colorado, which will vote on legalizing marijuana at the November ballot, striking a libertarian tone to questions about marijuana enforcement. "It's up to Coloradans to decide," Ryan told Colorado Springs's KRDO. "My personal positions on this issue have been let the states decide what to do with these things.... What I've always believed is the states should decide."
“Siblings have a major impact on substance abuse risk: teens who say their older brothers or sisters would be “very angry” to find out they were using marijuana are at substantially lower risk of substance abuse than teens whose older siblings would not be very angry.”
Your point being ...?
“Among teens who admit to smoking, drinking or having tried marijuana, by 15 years of age: 95 percent have smoked their first cigarette, 93 percent have tried their first drink and 86 percent have tried their first joint.”
So that would indicate that the usage rates are actually less, not more.
Lower usage does not contradict easier access. What one prefers and what one can most easily get are two different things - otherwise many more men would be dating or married to supermodels.
“Teens who attend drug-free schools are at roughly half the risk of substance abuse of teens who attend schools where drugs are used, kept or sold.”
So preventation works. Keeping drugs out of your school means that children are less likely to use drugs.
And legalization for adults is the best way to keep it out of schools, as the study shows.
“On the flip side, older siblings’ negative behavior increases their younger siblings’ risk of using tobacco, alcohol or illegal drugs.”
Your point being ...?
“Almost half (48 percent) of teens with an older sibling think that an older brother or sister has tried illegal drugs. These teens are at one and a half times greater risk of substance abuse than the average teen.”
Your point being ...?
“Expressing strong negative attitudes about marijuana to teens is important: teens who perceive marijuana as “not harmful” are at more than two and a half times greater substance-abuse risk than teens who think marijuana is “very harmful.” “
Your point being ...?
Shall I continue?
You might consider formulating a point first.
No, you misread that summary statement. Here's the data (from page 45):
44. Which is easiest for someone your age to buy: cigarettes, beer or marijuana?
31% CIGARETTES
14% BEER
34% MARIJUANA
5% THE SAME
15% DON'T KNOW/NO RESPONSE
Two, of those who reported this, they were far more likely to be using drugs.
Gosh, so students who more easily find marijuana are likelier to use it than students who less easily find marijuana. Golly - that proves ... um ... the blindingly obvious.
Ah, the personal attacks begin - as they always do with Drug Warriors. Just goes to show the logical, factual, and moral poverty of their cause.
Legalization will decimate every dealer's market - as it did to rumrunners. If either of us is a dealer, it must be YOU.
“31% CIGARETTES
14% BEER
34% MARIJUANA
5% THE SAME
15% DON’T KNOW/NO RESPONSE “
Aaand, that means that 2/3rds of students did not find marijuana easier to access than any of the other drugs. Contrary to your statement, the combined total for Cigarettes and Beer, is HIGHER.
And again - this doesn’t actually prove that it is easier to acquire - only that teenagers believe this to be case.
How do you explain the fact that those who found Marijuana easier to access were also far more likely to be users?
“Legalization will decimate every dealer’s market - as it did to rumrunners. If either of us is a dealer, it must be YOU.”
Your own numbers show it to be the case. The more accommodating society is towards dope, the more children pick up the habit. The more children pick up the habit - the better your sales.
“And legalization for adults is the best way to keep it out of schools, as the study shows.”
Got anymore lies? I read through the whole thing. The study said no such thing.
The study did say that parents who discouraged their children and siblings were by far the most effective at keeping their children off drugs.
If you want MORE drug use with children - accommodate it, make it easier.
If you want LESS drug use with children - reject it and make it harder.
It’s not rocket science here.
There's a term for people like that. However, I will refrain from using it. I have no wish to insult the world's oldest profession by making the comparison.
of those who reported this, they were far more likely to be using drugs.
Gosh, so students who more easily find marijuana are likelier to use it than students who less easily find marijuana. Golly - that proves ... um ... the blindingly obvious.
2/3rds of students did not find marijuana easier to access than any of the other drugs. Contrary to your statement, the combined total for Cigarettes and Beer, is HIGHER.
So it's a plurality rather than majority win for availability of the illegal drug over the legal-for-adults drugs. Still indicates that legalization for adults is the way to reduce availability to teens.
And again - this doesn’t actually prove that it is easier to acquire - only that teenagers believe this to be case.
If you have better evidence for ease of acquisition by teens than their own observations and experiences, by all means post it. In the meantime, everyone looking for facts rather than loopholes sees that their own observations and experiences constitute evidence.
How do you explain the fact that those who found Marijuana easier to access were also far more likely to be users?
As I pointed out, that requires no "explanation" - it's blindingly obvious that students who more easily find marijuana are likelier to use it than students who less easily find marijuana.
Your own numbers show it to be the case. The more accommodating society is towards dope, the more children pick up the habit.
My numbers show nothing of the sort. Are you lying, or are you hallucinating?
Got anymore lies? I read through the whole thing. The study said no such thing.
Got any more straw men? I didn't say it "said" it - I said it showed it ... by showing that the illegal drug is easier for kids to get than any single legal-for-adults drug.
The study did say that parents who discouraged their children and siblings were by far the most effective at keeping their children off drugs.
I'm all for good parenting - which government can't do.
If you want LESS drug use with children - reject it and make it harder.
Making it harder is what legalization does, according to the evidence.
It’s not rocket science here.
And yet you persistently don't or won't get the clear conclusion.
At least they’re honest about what it’s going to cost.
“by showing that the illegal drug is easier for kids to get than any single legal-for-adults drug.”
Only 34 percent of teenagers believed it was easier for them to get Marijuana.
They other 66 percent believed otherwise. So this is FALSE.
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As I pointed out, that requires no "explanation" -it's blindingly obvious that students who more easily find marijuana are likelier to use it than students who less easily find marijuana.
Ummm...excuse me...students who don't use marijuana, aren't looking for it.
This brain that's been soaking in resin for 35 years can figure that out, and the guardian of moral purity can't? ;^)
Only 34 percent of teenagers believed it was easier for them to get Marijuana. They other 66 percent believed otherwise. So this is FALSE.
Only 34% are even users of marijuana, the other 66% aren't even looking for it!
If your mental capacity is the result of living the "clean life", you're making legalization look better all the time...
If every person in 50 states finds an illegal drug easier to obtain than legal drugs, then what does that say about drug enforcement policy?
I’m not asking JCB, because he doesn’t know.
“Only 34% are even users of marijuana, the other 66% aren’t even looking for it!”
Hrm?
34 percent of all students said that they believed Marijuana easier to obtain than either alcohol or cigarettes. While these students were more likely to use marijuana, (about 1 and a half times), nowhere does this part of the study indicate usage.
In actuality, those who had tried marijuana is much higher than 34 percent, but still quite a bit lower than those who had tried alcohol or cigarettes.
“If every person in 50 states finds an illegal drug easier to obtain than legal drugs, then what does that say about drug enforcement policy?”
In actuality usage rates for marijuana were lower than alcohol or cigarettes for teens. All three drugs being presumably illegal for consumption and purchase by minors last I checked.
Only 34 percent of teenagers believed it was easier for them to get Marijuana.
They other 66 percent believed otherwise. So this is FALSE.
Which part of "single" did you not understand?
As I pointed out, that requires no "explanation" -it's blindingly obvious that students who more easily find marijuana are likelier to use it than students who less easily find marijuana.
Ummm...excuse me...students who don't use marijuana, aren't looking for it.
Sometimes one finds something without actively looking for it. And the survey encompassed not just their first-hand experiences but their observations of their peers' experiences.
Only 34 percent of teenagers believed it was easier for them to get Marijuana. They other 66 percent believed otherwise. So this is FALSE.
Only 34% are even users of marijuana, the other 66% aren't even looking for it!
You've confused "can easily find" and "uses" again; as you yourself said in post 209, "23 percent of high school students say that they've recently smoked marijuana."
the other 66% aren't even looking for it!
The premise that "students who don't use marijuana, aren't looking for it" is rebutted above.
If you were addressing this to me, you've confused me with a Drug Warrior. (Which I can't be too critical about, since I just confused you with JCB in my previous reply.) Go re-read the posts - I'm the pro-legalizer.
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