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The Border is Vanishing as Mexico Pushes North
Daily Beast ^ | 09/10/2012 | Robert D. Kaplan

Posted on 09/10/2012 5:54:10 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

America’s foreign policy emanates from the domestic condition of its society, and nothing will affect that society more than the dramatic movement of Latino history northward. Mexico’s 111 million people plus Central America’s 40 million add up to half the population of the United States. Eighty-five percent of all Mexico’s exports go to the United States, even as half of all Central America’s trade is with the U.S. While the median age of Americans is nearly 37, the median age is 25 in Mexico and even lower in Central America (20 in Guatemala and Honduras, for example). The destiny of the United States will be north–south, rather than the east–west “sea to shining sea” of continental and patriotic myth.

Half the length of America’s southern frontier is an artificial line in the desert, established by treaties following the Mexican-American War of 1846–1848. I have described before how crossing this border, having traveled by bus north from Mexico City, was as much of a shock for me as crossing the Jordan-Israel border and the Berlin Wall. Surrounded by beggars on the broken sidewalk of Nogales, Sonora, I stared at the American flag indicating the border. The pedestrian crossing point to Nogales, Ariz., was in a small building. Merely by touching the door handle, I entered a new physical world. The solidly constructed handle with its high-quality metal, the clean glass, and the precise manner in which the room’s ceramic tiles were fitted seemed a revelation after weeks amid slipshod Mexican construction.

There were only two people in the room: an immigration official and a customs official. Neither talked to the other. In government enclosures of that size in Mexico and other Third World countries, there were always crowds of officials and hangers-on, lost in animated conversation. Soon, as in Israel, I was inside a perfectly standardized yet cold and alienating environment, with empty streets and the store logos made of tony polymers rather than of rusted metal and cheap plastic. After weeks of turbulence and semi-anarchy, these quiet streets appeared vulnerable, unnatural even. Arnold Toynbee writes, in reference to the barbarians and Rome, that when a frontier between a highly and less highly developed society “ceases to advance, the balance does not settle down to a stable equilibrium but inclines, with the passage of time, in the more backward society’s favor.”

Since 1940, Mexico’s population has risen more than fivefold. Today it has swelled to more than a third the population of the United States, and it continues to grow at a faster rate. East Coast elites display relatively little interest in Mexico, focusing instead on the wider world and America’s place in it. America’s southern neighbor registers far less in the elite imagination than does Israel or China, or India even. Yet Mexico could affect America’s destiny more than any of those countries.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: border; illegals; immigration; mexico
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To: tumblindice

Hmmm...I certain dont miss that Pro-Dubya bunch. Still hard to believe that those threads were heavily guarded by the mods - a total waste of bandwidth IMO.


21 posted on 09/10/2012 9:17:58 PM PDT by Gasshog
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To: SeekAndFind

We can survive losing Iraq and Afghanistan. I fear that the Goths have crossed our Danube and that Hadrianople awaits. Actually, there will be no conflict. We will collapse too.


22 posted on 09/10/2012 9:49:42 PM PDT by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: GeronL

well, that is supposed to have been a US citizen


23 posted on 09/11/2012 2:43:43 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: muawiyah
good point.

But then, through the turmoils of the late 1400s and 1500s, England had become a land of immigration. We often think of our America as being that place to which persecuted people fled, but it was England first ~ which was, at the time, a fairly decent place to live compared to most other places.

yes, french, germans, spaniards etc. But I disagree with your last point -- England was climatically and culturally lower than mainland europe, especially the lowlands of Belgium-Holland-Luxembourg and Italy etc., but it was safer from strife as you point out.

24 posted on 09/11/2012 2:51:45 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

The proper term is RECONQUISTA.

White Americans can no longer resist.


Just think about it....mothers at 15, grandmothers at 30, great grandmothers at 45, great-great grandmothers at 60, great-great-great grandmothers at 75 (if they are fertile).

It’s like an atomic reaction, babies flying everywhere every 15 years. No wonder we have lost the battle before it even begins.


25 posted on 09/11/2012 4:53:25 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Cronos
Depends on what you mean by culture as well ~ the political culture in England, provided you were not a criminal, or a resident of Cornwall, was probably far friendlier than the situations abroad.

Regarding Cornwall, the 1400/1500 period in Brittany reveals agitation to avoid absorption by France, and even to join Spain. Given the close cultural and linguistic affinities of the two places (which had really only be one as far as economics were concerned as late as the 1300s) the English nobles probably had good reason to start hanging Cornishmen left and right ~ which they did in huge numbers! The lists of Cornishmen executed by the Brits was one of the first large data bases posted on the Internet. Haven't looked it up in a while, but doggone!

26 posted on 09/11/2012 5:21:04 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
correct about the political culture -- I was talking about arts, literature, etc.

the Cornish ties to the continent worried England. Indeed the Scottish ties to France were always a nightmare for the English until the Protestant revolution while separated Scotland from France.

27 posted on 09/11/2012 6:12:22 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: SeekAndFind

If I was elected as POTUS I would just invade Northern Mexico and claim it as a new state, and then build it anew.

Use our weakness against those that are actively using it against us.

Either that or turn the border into a mined DMZ more than what is between North and South Korea.


28 posted on 09/11/2012 6:24:16 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (OPSEC)
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To: cripplecreek
Illegals are government growth hormone.

30 million illegals is enough to create nearly 50 congressional districts and they don’t even need to vote to do it. If they do vote, that means nearly 50 democrat congressional districts.

We should ask ourselves how much it costs to administer the average congressional district? How much pork does an average district take? How much in earmarks?

Imagine how much better off we would all be if we had less democrats in congress and less wear and tear on infrastructure and how much less taxpayer burden.

Frankly, I don’t see America as we knew it surviving at this point.

Sobering but true.

29 posted on 09/11/2012 6:28:42 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Conservatism didn't magically show up in Romney's heart in 2012. You can't force what isn't in you.)
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To: Eye of Unk

RE: If I was elected as POTUS I would just invade Northern Mexico and claim it as a new state, and then build it anew.

Aren’t you going to get congressional approval? Only Congress has the power to declare war, and invading a neighbor is war.


30 posted on 09/11/2012 6:46:33 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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