Posted on 09/09/2012 10:23:41 AM PDT by Mozilla
Still no excuse for demanding that others shut up about your religion.
Bye bye, 143 and 152
Looks like the MORMON mod is working this afternoon!
You tried to misrepresent my question as a statement.
And you’re doing it again here.
Is that all you have, Rudeboy?
https://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/od/1?lang=eng
Or the Religion Mod, perhaps? Not everything is a conspiracy against you.
Both testaments have instances of polygamy. The Bible does not condemn polygamy, but it does definitely limit the leadership of the Church (bishops, elders, and deacons) to those who have only one wife.
Take a look at the men in the Bible who had multiple wives: Abraham, Solomon, David, etc. How did that part of their lives work out?
Abraham: Father of two peoples that hate one another to this day.
David: Led to the rape of Tamar (his daughter) by one of this sons and ultimately a civil war.
Solomon: His many wives turned his heart away from the Lord and led to the worship of other gods in his land.
Those aren't positive outcomes.
Debate?
I toss out FACTS.
Take 'em or leave 'em (or delete them)
I will make certain to hide my points behind question marks from now on, when I need to run from them . . . .
~ Wilford Woodruff, 4th LDS President
It’s not the facts you toss out . . . it’s the ones you don’t remember. LOL
And Buddhism did win me over for a short while. Until I got to the center of the nothingness and found it, well, empty. Realizing there were things worth fighting about, I started fighting again. Christian truth, for example:
Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Earnest contention for the Christian faith involves confronting people with their error:
James 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; [20] Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
So contending for truth and turning people away from error is a good thing. Not hate, but love, the turning of hearts to the true God, which leads to blessing, and a greater experience of God’s love for the person you are confronting.
But the human messenger is not the ultimate persuader of the wayward heart. The pressure is not on us to change everyone who fails to see the truth. Only God can lead a lost soul to repentance, and this has consequences in how we present the message:
2Tim 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, [25] In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
But that does not let us off the hook. We must still present the message. If Mormonism is false (and it is, as is Islam, and many other man-made religious inventions), Christians are obligated to call out the falsehood for what it is, without shame or hesitation:
2Tim 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
But this speaking out against falsehood, even when it is earnest as can be, must be done with more than mere civility; it must be done in love, lest we fall short of the supreme objective:
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; [15] But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
Peace,
SR
they try to closely follow their rules.
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One of their main rules is polygamy...
Its still on their books...
Never done away with...
But they dont follow it at present...
They havent since the last polygamous mormon president and prophet Heber Grant died in 1945 ...
George Albert Smith was the first monogamous president and prophet of the mormons...
The catcher on my softball team was a Buddhist. I was coaching at the time, so I was able to hear all of his interactions with the opposing batters trying to “trashtalk” him. Never failed to crack me up, and I found a respect for Buddhism that I never had.
“I would probably pick Buddhism. No cause for fighting there. “
Ironic since in many places Buddhists are actually fighters. They’ve done a great job of cultivating the peaceful image here in the US.
I was at one Buddhist temple, about 2000 years old from the stone inscriptions. It was a difficult climb to get there and very hot. There was a spring fed water fountain in the temple area. To get a drink you had to bend over. Which also put you in a position to bow to buddha, whether you wanted to or not.
Short but decent summary of the Biblical treatment of polygamy:
http://www.letusreason.org/Biblexp75.htm
Bottom line, plenty of clues it was not the original design per Adam and Eve, was tolerated but never encouraged in the OT (and often had disastrous consequences), but is clearly being pushed out of acceptable practice by the teaching of both Christ and the apostles. Winked at in the Old Covenant, but outgrown in the New Covenant under Christ. I believe the model of the Church as the Bride of Christ is especially relevant in that regard.
Peace,
SR
I don’t advocate running from things, so I wouldn’t recommend you do that.....better to stand by what you say, if you mean it. But I would suggest to you that intellectual honesty in posting is always the best policy.
Okay, I need to run out for a while.....’bye, FRiends.
No problem. Honesty is a good thing. Try it sometime.
That itself is a psychological tactic, used much by liberal, esp homosexual activists: http://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexual_agenda#Strategies_and_psychological_tactics
They are similarities beyond holding other commonly held religious beliefs:
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islamic-mormonism-similarities.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_Islam
As for me, i deal with aberrations, but have spent more time refuting Islam than Mormonism,: http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/JESUS.Vs.Muhammad.html
And caring enough to preach the gospel that is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believes, and opposing aberrations, is not driven by unholy hate but love.
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