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To: Fennie
When was the last time we lost a ship to enemy action? I'm not saying that Iran could pull off that stunt, but if it were to happen it would be quite a blow. I'm thinking of the Battle of Jutland in 1916 -- after that, neither England nor Germany was very interested in using their surface fleet for the rest of the war.

If the US were to suffer a loss, and then take on an overly defensive posture with our naval forces, we'd be owning a very expensive white elephant, floating in a bay somewhere. And the world's shipping lanes would be largely unprotected.

A strong leader would assert our presence before, during, and after a military engagement. But I don't see a strong leader around here.

9 posted on 09/08/2012 10:10:30 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (ua)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I wouldn’t put it past them to sink a nuke in the straights, and use it as a mine.


10 posted on 09/08/2012 10:13:34 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

John McCain gave it a shot. “;^O


11 posted on 09/08/2012 10:16:52 AM PDT by Past Your Eyes (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

We lost lots of ships in WWII.


16 posted on 09/08/2012 10:22:44 AM PDT by Ecliptic (.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The British lose the destroyer HMS Sheffield in the Falkland’s war against Argentina. It’s entirely possible that the Iranians could manage a similar “lucky” attack.


28 posted on 09/08/2012 11:04:18 AM PDT by Johnny B.
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To: ClearCase_guy
The last major warship lost to enemy action was the submarine Bullhead, which was caught on the surface by a Japanese bomber on August 6, 1945. The last surface ship to be sunk by enemy action was the heavy cruiser Indianapolis, which was torpedoed by a Japanese submarine on July 30, 1945.

Since World War Two, only six major US warships have been heavily damaged by enemy action (there were others that only suffered light damage). Three were damaged by mines (frigate Samuel B. Roberts during the Tanker Wars, and cruiser Princeton and amphibious assault ship Tripoli during Operation Desert Storm), two were hit by air attack (destroyer Higbee off Vietnam and frigate Stark during the Tanker Wars), and one by suicide boat (destroyer Cole in the Port of Aden). Not included in this list are the intelligence ships Pueblo (captured by North Korea) and Liberty, which was attacked and nearly sunk by Israeli aircraft and torpedo boats during the Six Days War.

29 posted on 09/08/2012 11:06:52 AM PDT by Stonewall Jackson ("I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.")
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To: ClearCase_guy
When was the last time we lost a ship to enemy action? I'm not saying that Iran could pull off that stunt, but if it were to happen it would be quite a blow. I'm thinking of the Battle of Jutland in 1916

???Ever hear of WWII?

37 posted on 09/08/2012 11:28:17 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: ClearCase_guy
When was the last time we lost a ship to enemy action? I'm not saying that Iran could pull off that stunt, but if it were to happen it would be quite a blow. I'm thinking of the Battle of Jutland in 1916 -- after that, neither England nor Germany was very interested in using their surface fleet for the rest of the war.

You should be thinking "Battle of Salamis." This is what the Iranians are attempting to do, IMO. Lure the large US blue water fleet close to the coast so that they can whack them with all manner of asymmetrical threats - everything from anti-ship missles, mines and agile speedboats.

The USN wargamed this a few years ago by putting a Marine general in charge of the Green Force (Iran). The USN lost by its own assessment of the wargame. Not saying that this will happen in real life. One of the reasons that you wargame is to expose holes in you own warplan. Evidently the Marine, thinking unconventionally, did just that.

44 posted on 09/08/2012 1:05:04 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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