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To: AuH2ORepublican
This is one reason why I'm not Catholic. Regardless of what any "father" says.......siding with evil is not permissible no matter how you try to justify it.

"A house divided cannot stand." God will not do evil to do good and neither should we embark on a foolish attempt to do so. It may be right in your conscience, but I'm not voting your conscience; I'm voting mine.

126 posted on 09/05/2012 4:24:24 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Official Romney/GOP-E Platform - We suck less)
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To: Repeat Offender; AuH2ORepublican
To clarify why I put "father" in quotes --

Matthew 23:7"And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. 8But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. 9And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven."

129 posted on 09/05/2012 5:01:05 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Official Romney/GOP-E Platform - We suck less)
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To: Repeat Offender

George W. Bush was the most pro-life president in our nation’s history, approving more executive orders, signing more laws, and using the bully pulpit more effectively than any other to send us down the road to end abortion someday. However, President Bush believed that abortion laws should have an exception for rape and incest, something with which I wholeheartedly disagree, given that the unborn child who is a product of rape or incest is no less human and no less deserving of the right to life.

When President Bush ran against Al Gore and John Kerry—two radical abortionists—I did not hesitate in supporting President Bush, even though he wasn’t as pro-life as I am. The reason is clear: either Bush or Gore (or Bush or Kerry) would be elected president, and only President Bush would make decisions based on a pro-life (albeit not 100% pro-life) mindset. If you think that I “chose evil” by supporting President Bush for the presidency (whom I hadn’t supported in the primaries, BTW; I voted for 100% pro-lifer Alan Keyes), then your mind is pretty messed up. If just 1% of pro-lifers in 2000 had written in Alan Keyes for the presidency or something like that, Al Gore would have been elected president and there would have been no Partial-Birth Abortion Ban, no Mexico City Policy, no prohibition on federal funding for embryo-destroying stem-cell research, dozens of additional pro-abortion federal judges and 6 (as opposed to 4) 100% pro-abortion Justices in the Supreme Court. We should not make the perfect the enemy of the good.

And, BTW, if you think that I support less-than-perfect candidates in the general election because a priest said that it was acceptable, you obviously don’t know squat about me, or about Roman Catholics in general.


134 posted on 09/05/2012 7:02:14 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: Repeat Offender
Even as a Catholic, I recognize that there are many reasons why individuals may not choose Catholicism. The one you expressed (objecting to one statement by one priest) is, with all due respect, a flawed one. Fr. Pavone has been a decently militant pro-lifer. OTOH, when he is wrong, he is wrong.

I, as a Catholic, agree with you and disagree with him on this statement and agree with you or anyone else who recognizes that we can not do evil to achieve good and that each of us must vote his/her own conscience and not someone else's.

The Catholic Church is a very large institution and doctrinally speaking, Fr. Pavone is pretty low on the food chain, whatever his role with Priests for Life. AND we have near the top even cardinals who are rank disgraces. OTOH, we are fond of remembering that your Savior and mine did not establish a Church exclusively for saints but also for sinners (because He loved sinners in His infinite way) from the outset like Peter who cut off the servant's ear, and doubting Thomas and, ummmm, Judas, each of whom were privileged to be in His inner circle.

Whatever your specific faith, you are quite evidently a thoughtful person and solid pro-lifer. Most Catholics are your allies and not your enemies.

May God bless you and yours!

140 posted on 09/06/2012 12:03:39 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline/Tomas de Torquemada Gentleman's Society: Roast 'em!)
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