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Lance's elaborate scam revealed
http://www.theaustralian.com.au ^ | September 02 2012 | D Walsh

Posted on 09/02/2012 12:35:04 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45

Despite a truckload of evidence, most of which will eventually find its way into the public domain, many still refuse to accept that Armstrong doped. He passed all those tests, they say, ignoring that he tested positive at the 1999 Tour de France, a problem solved through a backdated medical prescription. The believers also ignore the finding of six EPO positives from the 1999 Tour when Armstrong's samples were retrospectively tested.

"The tests are easy to beat. We're way, way ahead of the tests. They've got their doctors and we've got ours, and ours are better. Better paid, for sure."

Even the dimmest need spend only a millisecond researching what USADA have on Armstrong to know it is direct evidence, not hearsay.

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To: jb729

Guilty of being a U.S. citizen. Maybe he is guilty, but they have convicted him without proof. And the fact is, if they had proof back then, why didn’t they stop him then? The fact that they didn’t find new evidence, and got frustrated and decided to change the rules many years later is a strong indictment of them. If Armstrong was from any other country on earth, this wouldn’t be happening.


21 posted on 09/02/2012 1:11:18 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Para-Ord.45; Revolting cat!; KansasGirl

All I know is if that you spend that much time in France you are going to surrender at some point.


24 posted on 09/02/2012 1:13:56 PM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: DSH; GBT1945
He tested positive during the 1999 Tour

If he tested positive in 1999, why wasn't he disqualified then? That body is a total joke, if they can't come up with some consistent policy. And clearly they can't. They aren't judging everyone by the same rules. They have no idea what they are doing. If they can only decide 7 years after his last Tour De France victory, they don't know what they are doing. Their policy is only based on who you are, not what you did.

25 posted on 09/02/2012 1:15:56 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: bigheadfred

lol


26 posted on 09/02/2012 1:18:33 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Para-Ord.45

The USADA gang needs to lay out their evidence, and make sure it falls within the scope of their own rules. So far, I have seen neither, although this article does lay out more direct charges of failing tests.

I have no dog in this hunt, but from where I sit, USADA appears to have violated their own rules in order to “strip” him of titles (over which they apparently do not have authority). One such rule is their “statute of limitations”, as I understand the situation.

Beyond the abuse of power represented by such behavior on part of USADA (if true), I couldn’t care less whether Armstrong keeps his titles. But abuse of authority always gets to me!


28 posted on 09/02/2012 1:24:04 PM PDT by MortMan (Laughter is the best medicine, especially when ridiculing your enemies.)
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To: jb729

Your relentless rant is meaningless conjecture.


29 posted on 09/02/2012 1:26:27 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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>> evidence [that] will eventually find its way into the public domain,

>> The believers also ignore

The author is a dick.


30 posted on 09/02/2012 1:28:51 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Sporke

The sad thing is, that “level” is a fantasy nowadays it seems. They aren’t competing in any normal sense. It’s a battle of who has the best scheme, the best dope, the best doctors, the most people on their side covering for them. Drugs today are sophisticated, they have blood transfusions. I read a very enlightening article in Outside magazine online, a review of the book “The Silent Race” by Tyler Hamilton. Damning.
It’s just sad. Watching the Tour back in the days of Eddie Merckx was enthralling.


31 posted on 09/02/2012 1:32:52 PM PDT by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: Para-Ord.45

To compare an accusation of cheating with an accusation of murder reveals a mindless and unreasoning bias that takes too much pleasure in retaining.

If the doping tests are so easy to beat one might wonder why everyone doesn’t beat them.

Having been the target of false accusations of serious wrong doing I can appreciate the frustration and futility of trying to counter the endless smears.


32 posted on 09/02/2012 1:33:13 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: JoeDetweiler

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/media/books/Lance-Armstrong-Case-Closed.html


33 posted on 09/02/2012 1:34:09 PM PDT by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: Gene Eric

....and Australian.


34 posted on 09/02/2012 1:36:57 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: MortMan
Beyond the abuse of power represented by such behavior on part of USADA (if true), I couldn’t care less whether Armstrong keeps his titles.

So who are they going to give his titles to ? Follow the money.

35 posted on 09/02/2012 1:38:55 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: DSH; GBT1945

Personally, I think Armstrong is kind of a jerk, but that’s no justification for making special rules to punish him.


36 posted on 09/02/2012 1:38:55 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: DSH
Bloody stupid discussion. The only thing that is interesting is whether USADA comes up with physical/chemical evidence or not. USADA is not able to present what they've got until the other hearings are over, so we'll wait.

If they do come up with real physical/chemical evidence, good, then they've beaten LA fair and square, and taken a step forward towards clean sports. On the other hand if all the evidence that is presented is of the same sub-par standard that we've seen so far, then USADA has seriously damaged themselves and the fight against doping.

To those who writes about conspiracy theories about corruption within the UCI should also be aware that there is a turf fight between UCI and USADA - lots of money at stake. Not a proof one way or another, but reason to be a little careful before evidence has been put forward.

37 posted on 09/02/2012 1:40:32 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: MortMan
Well, that was quick. I went looking for the REASON for this OLYMPIC sized mess, and guess what I found ?

Sheryl Crow Gave USADA Information About Lance Armstrong’s Alleged Doping

38 posted on 09/02/2012 1:41:26 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 ( Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: nickcarraway

One of the drugs was actually found when tested in 2005 I think. in 1999 there was no test for EPO. which I would have to go back and see what the stuff is.


39 posted on 09/02/2012 1:47:53 PM PDT by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: JoeDetweiler

I meant to post this link-

http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/media/books/Keyes-hamilton-the-secret-race.html


40 posted on 09/02/2012 1:49:01 PM PDT by visualops (artlife.us)
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