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This must be ripped out at the roots and copious amounts of pesticide applied to prevent it's regrowth.
1 posted on 09/01/2012 4:33:12 AM PDT by listenhillary
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Anyone screaming and demanding? I thought so


2 posted on 09/01/2012 4:38:39 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (bb)
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talk about getting between a woman and her doctor!


3 posted on 09/01/2012 4:39:48 AM PDT by Scotswife
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This is SUCH a great gift to Congress...they just figured out how to pass anything without a vote....that it goes nowhere until We the People yank it up by the roots. That will require a hyper-Tea Party Congress.


4 posted on 09/01/2012 4:42:54 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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By restricting lawmaking powers of future Congresses, PPACA thus attempts to amend the Constitution by statute

An obvious impossibility.

Suppose Obamacare goes into effect (that can't happen, because that's not its purpose). Further, suppose it works as planned.

Then, in 2036, a Congress passes a law, which is signed by the President, dissolving IPAB.

It is inconceivable that IPAB could continue. There would be no basis to overrule such a law.

5 posted on 09/01/2012 4:43:02 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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If one entity or person is allowed to impose irrevocable laws, what keeps them from declaring themselves dictator for life?


6 posted on 09/01/2012 4:45:02 AM PDT by STYRO (Do not accept unconstitutional government as legitimate government.)
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7 posted on 09/01/2012 4:45:50 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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bookmark


9 posted on 09/01/2012 4:49:08 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta (In the last days, mockers will come with their mocking... (2 Peter 3:3))
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I had heard nothing about this lawsuit.

“Diane Cohen is senior attorney at the Goldwater Institute and lead counsel in Coons v. Geithner, a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of IPAB.”


11 posted on 09/01/2012 4:51:26 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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When the unelected government officials on this board submit a legislative proposal to Congress, it automatically becomes law: PPACA requires the Secretary of Health and Human Services to implement it. Blocking an IPAB "proposal" requires at a minimum that the House and the Senate and the president agree on a substitute. The Board's edicts therefore can become law without congressional action, congressional approval, meaningful congressional oversight, or being subject to a presidential veto. Citizens will have no power to challenge IPAB's edicts in court.

So if the IPAB decides that redheads should not be treated for breast cancer because some "govt" study shows that cancer treatments are not effective on that group, they can be eliminated from coverage? (insert any other stupid idea there)....and unless the House, Senate, and President all catch on to this ridiculous edict and all agree on some "substitute", it will become law? And, let's say those folks are asleep at the wheel, and I happen to be a redhead who develops breat cancer, I can't challenge their reccomendations in court? IOW, I'm toast?

This is beyond frightening. The "brilliant" chief justice Roberts thought this was constitutional?
13 posted on 09/01/2012 4:58:27 AM PDT by Girlene
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IPAB is a mini government within the federal bureaucracy. Not only does it create rather than merely implement Medicare cost-cutting policy, but it has greater power within its realm than elected officials — including the president of the United States. Indeed, its “advice” is really a mandate that literally can become law over a presidential veto.

Not only that, but IPAB began this year(2012), with $15 million to be spent getting the board’s infrastructure up and running. Soon, the president will be nominating its 15 “expert” members of the board of directors, each of whom is subject to Senate confirmation.

Expect these nominations to be among President Obama’s first actions should he be re-elected. Indeed, he will have little time to waste. According to the terms of the Affordable Care Act, IPAB must submit its first draft recommendations to the health and human services secretary by September 1, 2013. Its first Medicare cost-cutting goals must become law by August 15, 2014.

Why did I write “must” become law” instead of “may”? IPAB’s unique “fast track” authority divests Congress of discretion regarding the amount of money to be cut from Medicare once IPAB has submitted its “advice.” Get a load of these legislative handcuffs:

By January 15, 2014, IPAB must submit a proposal to Congress and the president for reaching Medicare savings targets in the coming year.

The majority leaders in the House and Senate must introduce bills incorporating the board’s proposal the day they receive it.

Congress cannot “consider any bill, resolution, amendment, or conference report;that would repeal or otherwise change the recommendations of the board” if such changes fail to meet the board’s budgetary target.

By April 1, all legislative committees must complete their evaluation. Any committee that fails to meet the deadline is barred from further consideration of the bill.

If Congress does not pass the proposal or a substitute plan meeting the IPAB’s financial target before August 15, or if the president vetoes the proposal passed by Congress, the original Independent Payment Advisory Board recommendations automatically take effect.

From IPAB: the part of Obamacare that can’t be repealed Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/06/ipab-the-part-of-obamacare-that-cant-be-repealed/#ixzz25DcKPSYm

14 posted on 09/01/2012 5:07:07 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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Hold on here. It's more important that our national attention be directed to “what is that crazy ‘Mormonism’?...”/s

Nancy and her Giant Gavel-brator and The Slock-puppet-in-Chief are worse than criminals.

Ha! Change indeed!

16 posted on 09/01/2012 5:27:50 AM PDT by Voter62vb
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PPACA Is that pronounced, “Macaca”?


18 posted on 09/01/2012 5:28:44 AM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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http://www.mcnaughtonart.com/artwork/view_zoom/423


25 posted on 09/01/2012 7:25:10 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (0bama's agenda—Divide and conquer. FREEDOM OR FREE STUFF- YOU GET ONE CHOICE, CHOOSE WISELY)
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Why is it that Sarah Palin is ridiculed for calling them "Death Panels."

Why>

26 posted on 09/01/2012 8:19:48 AM PDT by FroggyTheGremlim ('Nancy Pelosi is a DINGBAT.' - Gov. Sarah Palin)
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Congress and the president can undo any law or act with a simple majority. The only bills passed that cannot be undone in such a way are Constitutional requirements. Or so that is how I understand it to be.

All the rest is bluster by the idiots who passed the initial law.


27 posted on 09/01/2012 9:30:25 AM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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Oh, we ALWAYS have a recourse:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Are we there yet?

31 posted on 09/01/2012 12:19:55 PM PDT by Ignatz (Winner of a prestigious 1960 Y-chromosome award!)
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