Posted on 08/28/2012 2:15:07 PM PDT by STARWISE
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Floor fight: Grass-roots activists battle attempt to rig RNC delegate rules Updated: Palin: “direct attack on the grass-roots;” RNC power grab showdown 2pm; Rush weighs in; purge underway?; Rules Cmte votes 78-14 for deal; dissidents gather sigs for floor fight; Boehner/Sununu declare”no objections” over massive boos on floor
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Update 3:34pm Eastern Dissidents have until 3:47pm Eastern to gather enough signatures to force the floor vote, according to right-leaning Examiner’s Tim Carney, who is on scene. Left-leaning BuzzFeed’s Zeke Miller, also on scene, says it appears dissidents have gathered enough signatures for minority report on Rule 12, but not yet on Rule 15(16).
Carney says that Drew McKissck has emailed a minority report to RNC leaders within the rules deadline…
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Update: 4:34pm Eastern Well, that was…something else. First, Maine delegates were replaced with Romney people. Then, rules chairman John Sununu and GOP Speaker of the House John Boehner stood on stage at the RNC to rule on the compromise rules report. No minority report was mentioned. When asked for yeas and nays on the report, the room seemed equally divided. Boehner forged ahead and approved the report over loud boos and calls of “point of order” from activists on the floor.
No vote on the minority report.
FW’s Dean Clancy observes: “If @SpeakerBoehner had been wielding the Speaker’s gavel instead of the GOP convention gavel, he wouldn’t have gotten away with that trick.”
And the show went on…GOP Rep. Marsha Blackburn just declared that “this has been a great exercise in grass-roots” and that GOP stands for “Great Opportunity Party.”
Rob Port:
Watch until about 2:39:00 when Speaker of the House John Boehner takes the podium and asks for a voice vote on the rules. The “nays” from the floor were at least as loud as the “yeas,” but Boehner approved the rules “without objection.”
What a joke.
Meanwhile, a North Dakota delegate texted me from the floor of the convention saying that they were instructed to chant “USA” (you can hear it during the video) to drown out the dissenters.
You and Mr. RomneyCARE are an Obama CULT.
You both support TARP, ObamaCARE and RomneyMarriage
and anything Soros wants.
Furthermore, it was ROMNEY who put in Obama
by his attacks on Gov. Palin. Did you help that, too?
Good post, Hostage, but I’m still not agreeing with you.
I don’t think that the House has the walnuts to stop anything that Buckwheat wants to do.
The House has the power to turn off the money spigot to the Nazis in the EPA and haven’t done so. The house could strip Buckwheat of his post as commander in chief and it refuses to do that.
I’m not trusting the republican worms to do squat to fight for America. And in no way do these insects have the stones to impeach the traitor Buckwheat. You know that, and I know that.
That’s why I want conservatives to realize that we can fall back to the states and engage in the war against the DC criminal fascist syndicate from there.
Cheers, buddy.
Thank you for your post. You have precisely identified exactly what is going on here. This is a blatant power grab. With the GOPe and RINOs attempting to remove all possible power from conservatives.
After seeing what has been reported, anyone who continues to blame Ron Paul is either ignorant, mentally deficient, a liar — actively working for Romney and the GOP-e, or one of the most naive, easily deceived people on this site.
Grassroots is the name that the term that the Paulers use to identify themselves.
I can’t help it if Sarah Palin and some of the others were unaware of the Pauler efforts to disrupt the Romney nomination. Palin and anyone who fails to see this for what it is, is playing right into the hands of the Paulers.
The Paulers were very open about their plans, they were posted on Pauler web sites all over the web. You can think what you like and continue to stick your head in the ground and wait for doomsday, but the rest of us are moving on without.
Rick Santorum just gave a wonderful speech and got several standing ovations. He set the crowd on fire with his pro-life message, and story of the American dream. It was one of the most inspiring speeches that I have heard in years. Maybe you should listen to a rerun of the speech, it might make you feel better. All that bitterness and hatred is not healthy.
I don’t think that the House has the walnuts to stop anything that Buckwheat wants to do.
The House has the power to turn off the money spigot to the Nazis in the EPA and haven’t done so. The house could strip Buckwheat of his post as commander in chief and it refuses to do that.
I’m not trusting the republican worms to do squat to fight for America. And in no way do these insects have the stones to impeach the traitor Buckwheat. You know that, and I know that.
That’s why I want conservatives to realize that we can fall back to the states and engage in the war against the DC criminal fascist syndicate from there.
Can’t see any other way.
Whether it’s date rape or back alley rape, it’s still rape.
I never got that feeling. I actually thought he liked Newt a lot, and I heard him say a lot of negative things about Mitt.
I always felt Rush was being very careful because he didn’t want any of his quotes damaging the actual candidate later. And his primary desire, like ours, is to get RID of O.
Just a comment about your last point.
I guess so long as you have a national convention, you need to reward your state activists by letting them win delegate slots.
But on the other hand, the delegate slots are not primarily a way to reward hard-working party activists, but to represent votes for the state’s choices for the office of President.
So clearly, if a great state activist is supporting one candidate, and that candidate doesn’t win any delegates, there is a problem sending that state activist as a delegate — unless the winning candidate can be assured that the delegate will vote as a representative of the electorate, not their own beliefs.
The compromise they announced deals well with that problem — allowing any activist to be chosen for a delegate, so long as that person votes based on the binding results of the state nominating process. If they don’t, THEN they are removed immediately.
Some states still just elect delegates without regard to who they support, which in the bygone days was really a way for the establishment to control the outcome — they’d send noncommitted delegates, who would all make a backroom deal for a candidate.
Nowadays, we are more “democratic”, for better or worse, and more states expect the delegates to vote based on the picks of the voters of the state. Rules that make that more certain are a good thing in my mind — lest when we finally manage to elect a conservative, the state party apparatuses don’t manage to send delegates who thwart our will and elect someone else.
Reminds me of...."I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other!"
"Since you are lukewarm and neither hot nor cold, I am going to spit you out of my mouth."
"You say, 'I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.' But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked." Rev 3:15,16, 17
NEWT was clearly the most qualified and a proven Patriot and never took one for team and sold out what he was elected for. Why didn't he trash Romney from day one and never stop? But then he wouldn't have a golden microphone any longer - he did what was in his best interest. Not interested.
The Paulbots were at this convention. The changes they are discussing concern making rules for future conventions. That means it has nothing to do with the Paulbots today, but everything to do with those who the GOPe considers to be their enemies. Palin, in particular, but anyone else who could possibly become popular and not under their complete control is the reason for the rules change.
This is a power grab plain and simple. If you want to know what is being done look at who is being hurt by this. Whose power is being removed. They are taking the power from the states and grassroots = TEA Party, to consolidate it within the GOPe. They have not constructed a simple fix for this convention. They have consolidated their power for all future elections. They don’t trust conservatives. They never did. They especially hate the TEA Parties even those not connected to Ron Paul. They hate them because they cannot control them. Now they have used the ruse of Ron Paul to grab power and some people have fallen for the sleight of hand. Once again Romney’s people say pay no attention to what we are doing and pay all attention to what we say.
If you want to know what Romney really thinks, what he is really trying to do, pay no attention to the words coming out of his mouth, i.e. - their semantics mean nothing. Watch what he and his people are doing. Once you locate the result of their actions, you will know what they are planning to do.
Look, I don't like Ron Paul's foreign policy and lack of appreciation for Israel and AWOLing on most social issues any more than most others on Free Republic.
But even broken clocks are right twice per day.
Maybe Ron Paul is trying to use his relatively small group to ignite a firestorm between GOP-elites and social conservatives. Don't know.
What I do know is if the Republican Party were paying attention to social conservatives the way the Democratic Party pays attention to its core organized constituencies (labor unions, gay rights groups, etc.) we would have a much more conservative Republican Party.
Romney won. I get it. Elections have consequences.
But those consequences do **NOT** include allowing the Speaker of the House to ignore close voice votes in the Republican National Convention.
We are supposed to be the party of law and order, not of personalities or majorities running roughshod over dissenters. Mob rule is supposed to be done by the other party, not ours.
Someone must have a link to this, so will that someone please post it?
We agree on your main point. The Ron Paul people planned to cause chaos at numerous county, district, and state conventions, and now at the national convention. That needs to be defeated.
The Paulists can be defeated honestly and fairly. We have a republican form of government, not a democracy or a dictatorship, and we have procedures in place to make that work.
Briefly, the principle behind parliamentary procedure, including the National Convention rules, is to balance the key factors of letting the majority rule, while allowing the minority to be heard and potentially changing minds to become the majority.
Reports I'm seeing on Free Republic of Boehner ignoring close voice votes, and even declaring unanimous consent when the volume of “no” votes was as much if not more than the “yes” votes, are not good.
It's the other side, not us, that believes the law is a wax nose to be ignored when inconvenient.
We are supposed to be the party of law and order, not of personalities or majorities running roughshod over dissenters. Mob rule is supposed to be done by the other party, not ours.
BTTT!!
RS speaking about pro-life when RomneyCare is PRO ABORTION. He campaigned for mitt in 08 ‘trying’ to convince voters mitt was a conservative with his knowledge of what Romneycare was all about.
What part of a hypocrite are you so enamored by?
Embracing EVIL is NOT healthy now or for ETERNITY! You go your way and never will we meet!
I wish more of my conservative Christian friends understood that.
One of my elders is a Ron Paul supporter. The parliamentarian of my denomination, who is a well-respected expert on rules and procedure, is a Ron Paul supporter. Several of my friends in the pastorate are Ron Paul supporters, as are a significant number of Reformed Baptists in a nearby church.
Part of the complication is that in the early days, Ron Paul's supporters included Gary North and other people associated with the Christian Reconstruction movement. They liked his original intent view of the Constitution.
In the 1970s and 1980s I can understand that. Ron Paul represented a way of thinking about the Constitution that had all but died in GOP-e circles.
Post-Reagan, I see no reason for a Christian conservative to be a Ron Paul supporter. He openly declares that his faith would have no impact on his presidency. I realize that as a practical matter Ron Paul's principles of government might look a lot like social conservative principles, but they come from a wrong root, and that root produces bad fruit.
Just because somebody does the right thing for the wrong reason doesn't mean they're your friend in the long term.
I think we’re wasting our time trying to help Eva see the truth. Apparently she’s a shill or stormtrooper for Romney and the Ruling Class so blaming this on Ron Paul’s mob zombies is necessary for Eva to deceive herself.
As you said, this is a dictatorial power grab by the Ruling Class, designed to silence, and render irrelevant, Conservatives in the political arena.
In my estimation the triangulation of infiltration by the Obama/MarxoFascist media, Ron Paul and Romney brigade worked it’s magic to split and divide Conservatives and neuter the TEA Party. Obama, Paul and Romney - all Leftists in their own way, are in league together in rendering Reagan Conservatives obsolete and shutting us down.
The hatred that the Ron Paul Mob Zombies, Mittbots and Obama Drones share for Conservatives (aka neocons/Right wing nuts in their lexicons) is tangible and virulent.
This election is proof to me that Cook County is gone national, and no outsider has a snowball’s chance on the sun to make changes in the power structure that exists there politically. I think Palin understands that because this deal today ensures that she or anyone like her is never able to become a threat to the Establishment leadership.
We’re about to find out how much of that is now cemented in the national arena.
Obama’s going nowhere after November. This election was a ruse and a sham from the start, just like the Soviets in their golden era. Romney was chosen by the Ruling Class, Obama and his media to ensure that outcome. Boehner and the oligarchs in the GOP want a seat at the table of the MarxoFascist New Order, and a share of the money and power they assume they will have a piece of in Obama’s Tranformed Amerika.
All you had to do was see the hate in Ron Paul’s eyes when he looked at Rick Santorum during the debates. It was open hate.
LOL! You think that I am a hypocrite, but you are working very hard to get Obama re-elected. It doesn’t matter. the convention is going on without you. The speeches have been great, very inspiring.
Obviously, your head doesn't work when you are in worship mode. Are YOU the one who was on stage speaking about pro life while campaigning for a pro abortion candidate?
I'm not surprised you are inspired by a pump speech - you're the type they need to squash GODLY values.
I don’ t work to get Obama elected, like you.
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