Eat $#!+ and die, you moron. Many of the folks on this forum have put more rounds downrange (often on the two-way range) than a city cop fires in his entire career.
Posted on 08/26/2012 6:32:13 AM PDT by Zakeet
It's official. The New York Police Department have admitted that all nine people wounded yesterday in the Empire State Building shootout were from bullets they fired at Jeffrey Johnson.
CNN's David Ariosto reports the NYPD said the two officers that confronted Johnson fired a total of 16 shots. "One officer shot nine while another one shot seven," they said. Police commissioner Ray Kelly explained the injured bystanders were hit by ricocheting bullets. The shots hit "flowerpots and other objects around, so ... their bullets fragmented and, in essence, that's what caused the wounds."
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The next question the NYPD will have to answer is why the two officers needed to fire 16 bullets to take down one man who, as we can see in the video, was only a few feet away from them.
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FINEST police force in the world, my ass. Lived in NYC for 15 years and the NYPD officers I saw daily were idiotic donut munchers. Enjoy your pension.
“Perhaps they should be armed with claymore mines instead of pistols...”
Yep, one or two would be enough.
ok ok ok i was not on top of it. some police shots missed and struck bystanders. it is the grace of God that the resulting injuries were not severe or fatal.
anyhow, just how often does a loon begin blazing away randomly with a gun in broad daylight downtown?
ok ok ok everybody. i was not on top of it. some police shots missed and struck bystanders directly. it is the grace of God that the resulting injuries were not severe or fatal.
anyhow, just how often does a loon begin blazing away randomly with a gun in broad daylight downtown?
I always assume reporters don’t know chambers from clips from magazines from barrels from cylnders, or revolvers from pistols, for that matter.
I hear that the Social Security Admin. has a bunch of .40 jacket HPs coming their way. Maybe they’re being re-assigned NYPD anti-terror squad, for training on sidewalks in front of the Empire State Bldg. Not an everyday occurrence, this one.
six of one half a dozen of the other... if as i’m being told now some police shots completely missed and hit bystanders, hollow point would have been guaranteed disaster for the bystanders. i guess swiss cheese with non hollow points is the chosen police strategy. it could be worse.
you can’t stack “bullets” (cartridges actually) in a modern gun. that possibility went out with muzzle loaders didn’t it?
Eat $#!+ and die, you moron. Many of the folks on this forum have put more rounds downrange (often on the two-way range) than a city cop fires in his entire career.
“....As NYC will soon discover, training is cheaper than judgements.
Conclusion: NYPD has inadequate hand gun training....”
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BINGO -— I don’t think folks here are directing their comments toward the cops so much as they are toward the (evidently) inadequate training. I know that good, continuous and REALISTIC hand gun fighting training is not cheap, but, as GladesGuru points out, “penny wise, pound foolish”.
I think that many concealed carry “civilians” are better trained in gun fighting than many cops. I don’t blame the individual cops for that; it’s an institutional thing. Several cops I know do such training off-duty and at their own expense. They are very good cops indeed.
But yes, you are right. Remember the book, "How To Lie With Statistics"? Widely used and applied by many of 'em.
Right. One in the chamber, and one in the mag. And apparently he cleared a jam, cause they found a round on the ground by him. Coupled with the apparent 5 he put in his victim, makes 8 total.
Officer is not undercover and the approach is in full view and the suspect clues in to the officer by noting others looking at him coming from behind him. Then officer verbally asks him to stop, and he pulls a .45 and points it at the officer and his partner. When officer does this, people scatter screaming in all directions, officers draw their weapons and don't wait for a shot. They shoot in a highly charged crowded noisy setting and finally drop the suspect. This all happens (visible on video) in 6 seconds.
Point may be made that all rounds should have been penetrating and then the collateral hits from overpenetration more acceptable. Not walking in the shoes of the officers, most sensible people, even those with combat experience (and not police experience, which is not the same thing) would allow as to how looking down and past/around a gunsight in this setting could affect the aim point. It would help to have fewer keyboard/firing range commandos commenting, whether they ever were real commandos or even veteran police officers. It would be well to wait for the full report and ballistics and re-visit this. It certainly serves no purpose other than abuse to denigrate someone's service by assumption of a "desk job". In fact, the thought and commentary isn't rational at all. Deo Vindice.
Spray & Pray
I believe these “cops” have been playing too much Call of Duty on the X-Box back at the station.
Nope. The last thing they needed was more cops on the scene spraying bullets on a crowded street. The should have closed on him with weapons drawn and the instant he turned and showed a gun, dropped him at point blank range.
Bullcrap! "Sensible people" don't make excuses for nine misses at ten feet in a crowded street. People addicted to the taste of boot polish, do.
Concur.
It is the duty of EVERY armed individual to adhere to that standard.
That kind of shooting is inexcusable.
The criminal didn't appear to be targeting people on the street, just trying to get away. Once the cops made contact, the only threat was to themselves, and in trying to protect their own fat asses, they shot up 9 innocent people.
Anyone trying to defend that is a moron.
I believe NYPD issues Speer Gold Dot 124grn HP
What an arrogant and contemptuous prick. Here are just two examples of courageous armed citizens - senior citizens in this case - that put lie to your statement.
65-year-old Woman Thwarts Robbery on Jewellery Store in Garden Grove, California
Internet Cafe Customer Shoots 2 Robbers In Florida
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