Woman Conceived in Rape Responds to Akin Abortion Controversy

Life News ^ | August 21, 2012 | Steven Ertelt

[glock rocks]

It's note a baby, it's an unwanted embryo.

Or zygote. So... is your keyword for this issue 'unwanted?'

Aren't all abortions-on-demand the 'unwanted' of babies-by-any-other-name?

Is unwantedness the key issue for you?

[spunkets]

"An embryo is just the youngest stage of life for a given species."

All cells contain the potential to develop into the organism which it came from.

"One of my law teachers used to talk about the ideological power of categories. Move the baby from “child” to “embryo,” and suddenly you can kill him with impunity."

Skin cells can be cloned. How does they fit into the professor's irrational catagory scheme?

"with murderous consequences"

A petri dish full of embryos is not a pool of people and an unwanted embryo is not a person. For an embryo to be called a person, their parents must make that designation. No one else has the right to do so.

[JudyinCanada]

If it’s not a baby, no need for an abortion.

[spunkets]

"Or zygote. So... is your keyword for this issue 'unwanted?'"

Absolutely, and the key to it is the requirement for the mother's body and the mother's absolute sovereignty over that body. There's nothing viable about the embryo whatsoever w/o the mother's body being involved, until some later stage of the pregnancy — later stage being the keyword. For the purposes of this discussion, contraception is essentially what's involved here.

[deweyfrank]

bttt

[GrandJediMasterYoda]

How about we not focus on the rape victim but instead focus on the rapist and have his immolation broadcast and repeated on national television in 3D max? If the victim is preg, abort it and shove it up his ass beforehand.

There is a reason vicious punishment existed in the middle ages: It prevented vicious crime.

And it doesn’t have to be the middle ages. Take the Muslim assassination of French General Jean Baptiste Kleber in 1800. The French took his assassin Soleyman El-Halaby, tied his arm to a tree and burned it down to the bone slowly over 40 minutes using a torch.

Then they took a 10 foot spike, layed the top of the spike on his sphincter hole, and slammed it in using a sledge hammer until it came out beside his neck. Then they flipped the whole thing vertical until the spike was standing straight up and poor Soleyman was resting comfortably like a worm on a fish hook. Then they cooked him like a pig on a spit. How many people would oppose this if their sister, mother or wife was raped? Not me, I would volunteer.

[golas1964]

Fellow pro-life Freepers,

I recommend we disseminate this article with others as rapidly as possible.

http://www.lifenews.com/2012/08/20/woman-conceived-in-rape-responds-to-akin-abortion-controversy/

[glock rocks]

I thank you for your honest and lucid answer.

I suppose these lines are drawn at the point between conception and human life at "some later stage of pregnancy." I'm of the opinion that human life begins at conception.

[Just mythoughts]

The person who needs to read it most right now is Todd Akin. AND maybe she might come campaign for him after she sets his language straight... He is going to need all the legitimate help he can get to beat Claire.

[reasonisfaith]

What is known about this particular question of science is far less than what is not known.

His comments might have been inaccurate, but I would gues the answer is unclear. What is certain is that nobody can states accurately, based on what they feel about the topic, that Akin was incorrect.

But what Akin said certainly has nothing to do with whether or not he will be a good senator.

[Springfield Reformer]

Talk about irrational, try this:

A petri dish full of embryos is not a pool of people and an unwanted embryo is not a person. For an embryo to be called a person, their parents must make that designation. No one else has the right to do so.

When an intermediate premise assumes the conclusion, we have circular reasoning. Highly irrational.

Translated to expose the circle, you appear to be saying that a very young human life is not capable of being defined as protectable human life except by older human life which has already been designated as protectable human life by other human lives that have also been designated as protectable human life AND capable of judging the protectability of human life by yet other human life deemed as protectable human life by (insert infinite regression here) ....

Confused reasoning at its finest. You are begging the question of what human life is, deferring answering of that question to an infinite regression which never answers it. As Spock would say, highly illogical.

[ROCKLOBSTER]

It's the owner's decision whether they're wanted and it's also the owner's decision whether or not to leave them hanging there, or to rip up the whole plant and toss it in the compost heap.

I guess that is an expression of your respect for the value of human life...except tomatoes aren't human, and the mother is not the "owner" of the baby.

[spunkets]

"you appear to be saying that a very young human life is not capable of being defined as protectable human life except by older human life..."

Stop at this point. First, human life is determined by adults. Very young human life includes fresh skin calls after division. They obviously can not make decisions, but can, with the help of some scientists become adult humans and then at that point they can make decisions.

"You are begging the question of what human life "

The question isn't, "what is human life?" The question is "what is a person?" Personhood is determined by those who have reached the age of reason. ie. adults

[Eagles6]

This is a difficult and highly emotional issue. First and foremost we should do all that we can to prevent rape in the first place. Forcible rape should carry a life or capital sentence. Many rapists are repeat offenders. There was a recent story of 3 college students that raped a girl that was passed out at a party and received only probation.

More women should train and conceal or open carry.

God needs to be brought back into the fabric of society. Man is rudderless without His guidance.

[spunkets]

"the mother is not the "owner" of the baby. "

There is no baby and you and your cohorts are not the owners of it. You also do not own, or have any justification whatsoever to claim any soveriegnty, or right to determine how the mother must use her body, or to dictate to her how or what to consider her unwanted embryo. That stands especially clear and firm when it was placed by a rapist. In fact, such a person who would join forces to coerce the will of the woman raped regarding the unwanted embryo is no less than complicit in the rape itself!

[Ditter]

I think what Akin was told by doctors was that a woman's body would sometimes recognize the trauma, physical and emotional trauma and spontaneously abort.

[98ZJ USMC]

There are two problems with the Missouri Jack@$$’s comments. The smaller one is that he verbally fumbled the ball in using the term “legitimate rape”.

The much BIGGER one is that he claimed a uterus is smart enough to realize that a rape has occurred and will reject the zygote/embryo. Which is utter insanity and something the very existence of the woman writing this thoughtful commentary directly contradicts. While he’s at it, why doesn’t he just go ahead and claim that the world is really flat too?

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This is exactly correct and is what has most of us picking our heads off the desk. You can argue “standing by principle” all you want. It’s irrelevant. This was mind-numbing stupidity that makes all Christians look like radical fundies.

....and stupid ones at that.

No, he needs to go, but that appears to be moot at this point.

[spunkets]

"There was a recent story of 3 college students that raped a girl that was passed out at a party and received only probation. More women should train and conceal or open carry. "

How's that going to work? Does she practice drawing during a dream, or stand ready before she passes out?

[DoughtyOne]

3. Rape victims choose abortion at half the rate of the average unplanned pregnancy, which is over 50%. Only 15-25% of rape victims choose abortion, depending on the study. The majority of rape victims choose to raise her child — not “the rapist’s baby” — HER child.

This was a factoid provided by: Rebecca Kiessling, a pro-life attorney from Michigan, [who] fully understands the national debate going on concerning the controversial comments Missouri Senate candidate Todd Akin made about abortion and rape. Kiessling was conceived when her mother was victimized by a rapist.

With apologies, I'm not sure who Ethel Waters is.  Did I miss a mention of her in the article?   I'm afraid your point was a little unclear to me as well.

If you'd like to provide more information, I'd be interested in your POV.

Okay, 93% completed.  Thanks for the help folks.  If you haven't already, please click below and pencil yourself in.

[GeronL]

No reason to punish the baby