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A Historic Return For U.S. Marines To Colt Sidearms
The Hartford Courant ^ | August 19, 2012 | MATTHEW STURDEVANT

Posted on 08/20/2012 9:43:40 AM PDT by Daffynition

WEST HARTFORD — — The newest Colt .45-caliber pistol is touted for its durability and design.

It is tested to make sure it can be dropped in water, covered in mud, immersed in sand or ice or left in a dust storm — and still be able to get off a round when you pull the trigger.

"Virtually, it's indestructible," said Casimir Pawlowski, who works in international sales and technical sevices for Colt Defense LLC. "You can drive over these things with a Humvee and they're still gonna work. It's like a brick that shoots bullets."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: banglist; usc; usmc
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To: zeestephen

yes, does both.


61 posted on 08/20/2012 11:27:19 AM PDT by Vinnie (A)
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To: central_va

Check out he CZ75 full auto. It carries a spare mag in front of the trigger guard that doubles as grip to keep the barrel down in full auto.


62 posted on 08/20/2012 11:30:43 AM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: SJSAMPLE

The place in the frame where the slide stop/takedown lever passes through the frame is a bit of a weak spot, especially on alloy frames. That is right next to that sharp step.


63 posted on 08/20/2012 11:30:52 AM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: Daffynition

Looks like a great deal for both buyer and seller.


64 posted on 08/20/2012 11:32:41 AM PDT by Longtooth
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To: Melas

So you are not so much “pulling the trigger” as you are: DROPPING THE HAMMER!


65 posted on 08/20/2012 11:33:01 AM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: taxcontrol
Qualified expert back in ‘83 with a 1911 that was so warn it barely stayed together. You could shake the pistol and have the slide rattle.

Yep, that's just what the sidearms were for tankers back then. I ran the arms room for my company and they were all that worn.

66 posted on 08/20/2012 11:37:07 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: USMCPOP

The photo I saw had the 1913 rail section peeling back from the front of the frame almost the entire length of the rail groove.


67 posted on 08/20/2012 11:37:35 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: napscoordinator

I doubt if Obama had anything to do with the return of the Colt .45.


68 posted on 08/20/2012 11:39:10 AM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Melas

Well the news lists everything as a AK-47 or a Glock or some other buzz word but that does not make it true. Just because an old ad says it does not make it a automatic pistol, it is a semi-automatic. By the way do you own one? If you do own one, have you registered it and paid your tax as would be required if it was an automatic.


69 posted on 08/20/2012 11:40:25 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: central_va

I’ve fired it and it is insanely fast and uncontrollable as hell.
You need the Glock stock to handle it decently.
Using the stock on a semi-automatic is illegal, of course.


70 posted on 08/20/2012 11:41:26 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: glorgau

When I left AD and entered the Reserves, I took control of a unit that had MINT M1911 Colts and High Standard .22 target pistols. MINT.

One of my tasks was to bring them to the depot for destruction and certify that the destruction was complete. Ugh.
It was one of the more unsavory jobs I had as a Company Commander.


71 posted on 08/20/2012 11:44:41 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: taxcontrol
Ah, hand strength and length of finger are not necessarily the problem. What I found contributes to the fearsome reputation of the .45 Auto are these. Beginning shooters [male and female] of the M1911A1 are intimidated by: (1) exaggerated stories about its recoil (it will break your wrist); (2) it's huge muzzle blast; (3) the HORRIBLE trigger pull (8+ pounds) in G.I. M1911s; (4) the HIDEOUS slop and over travel of the standard, short, stamped G.I. trigger; (5) the inadequate G.I. sights on the M1911A1 (and M1911 is worse).

These new versions of the MEUSOC M45 pistol cure the sight problem with Novack high visibility sights; a trigger job for a light and crisp trigger pull; a new trigger that is longer, fits, and minimizes over travel. The other things are fixed by training -- assuring the trainees that the gun will NOT break their wrist and recoil is manageable. Reassuring the trainee that the muzzle blast will not kill them. Imparting confidence in the trainee that they are the master of the pistol and not the opposite way around.

72 posted on 08/20/2012 11:52:40 AM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: Daffynition
It's like a brick that shoots bullets.

There's the money quote of the whole article. =)

73 posted on 08/20/2012 11:57:15 AM PDT by WileyC
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To: petro45acp
Aesthetically, it's not my idea of pretty...I'm drawn to the *old-school* versions.


74 posted on 08/20/2012 12:01:13 PM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: AmericanSamurai
The US Navy SEALs use 9mm Sig Sauer pistols becase the Sig does not wear out after three years from the 8,00 to 9,000 rounds per year, per gun, shot by SEAL operators. The SEALs wanted the M45 MEUSOC, but the USN forced the Sig on them. The Sigs are holding up well. SEALs have use of the HK USP .45 pistol as the Mk 23 Mod 0, however the Mk 23 is much larger and heavier.
75 posted on 08/20/2012 12:03:09 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: Ratman83

I’m waiting on a phone call from a gun mag that I’d called earlier. At some point rifle nomenclature has become more common when referring to pistols. Semi-auto pistols were always referred to as automatic when I was growing up. I can readily remember that my father’s gun magazines in the 1970’s and 1980’s referred to fully automatic pistols as machine pistols, while calling semi-autos, automatics. Hopefully this person will be able to tell me when. As central_va pointed out, referring to shotguns as semi-auto is also fairly recent. They used to be referred to and marketed as automatic shotguns.

I get everything that you’re saying, but you’re just taking it for granted that this was always the case. I can assure you that it was not. I can remember when semi-auto only applied to rifles. Pistols were revolvers or automatics, with machine pistols like the Mac 10 existing strictly in the military world. Shotguns were either breakable, pump or automatic. I don’t think fully automatic shotguns like the USA12 or AA12 even existed.


76 posted on 08/20/2012 12:03:49 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: MasterGunner01

I have trained Army MPs (females) who’s hands were so small they could barely get their fingers around the grip of a standard 1911. As range safety officer I had to order one female to use the .38 to qualify because she could not maintain control. At first we thought she just did not want to qualify. When we had her demonstrate her grip (thinking that we could correct the problem) her finger tips were on the front of the grip, under the trigger guard.

Granted she looked like 4 foot 11 inches to me (barely met the requirements) and only the Lord knows why she chose to be an MP ... but that was the case. One of those ... perhaps you should consider changing MOS moments.


77 posted on 08/20/2012 12:04:14 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: SJSAMPLE
If the Mil-Std 1913 rail was peeling back, that's a stress crack and can be eliminated by some redesign. Some of the current M45 MEUSOC pistols have 500,000 rounds through their WW2 G.I. frames and are still within spec. That IS tough!
78 posted on 08/20/2012 12:08:32 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

That is normal terminology. It’s so normal, odds are you’re not going to find a “definitive source for nomenclature” stating it. Yes, it’s confusing to newbies.

The “full auto” you’re thinking of is rare, and even within that category applies almost exclusively to rifles. The Glock 18 and Atchisson AA-12 are about the only modern non-rifle full-auto arms short of extremely obscure/rare/expensive instances. The pedantic may find exceptions (”there are 3 transferable G18s in the USA! never mind their quarter-million-dollar price tags!”) but most sane people don’t go there, as no new “true automatics” have been available since 1986.

For general discussion, “automatic” means “semi-auto”. And a full-auto normal-sized .45 would be just silly.


79 posted on 08/20/2012 12:17:55 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: MasterGunner01

I read where one SEAL team shot more ammo than the entire U.S. Marine Corps, still, I am partial to my Force Recon(now MARSOC) Marines. :P


80 posted on 08/20/2012 12:18:22 PM PDT by AmericanSamurai
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