gelak gelak gelak I doubt it- I think these so-called "converts" are not in apostasy from islam; just that they never really picked it up which I seriously doubt...
or best possibility is that they are 5th columnists.
Ask any Christian Indo emigrant who fled the church burnings and bombings, rapes and killing by moslems in Indonesia now living in the USA: they will tell you it`s all BS.
Some muslims supposedly "convert", then emigrate to USA only to spy on the churches here and report back home so the govt and groups can harrass their families.
I was witness to so-called "converts" in a Indo Cathloic church in California and EVERYONE in the congregation knew that they were SPIES because they always were going back and forth to the Indo consulate in San Francisco and LA
The only true converts are the ones whose familiies have been in Indo for over 400 yeas.
My Indo friends tell me "They are making fun of Catholics-They are laughing at us by doing this! Hajetawa tawaken." gelak gelak gelak-One said to me just now, "I don`t believe it! I have never seen any moslem convert to Christianity in 60 years since I am living here in Jakarta."
600 churches have been destroyed by burnings and bombings in Indonesia since 1972, not counting the seminaries and the homes and businesses of Christians burnt to the ground.
If these "converts" are being allowed to emigrate to USA, it`s a 5th column right in our midst. I am warning all of you NOW! It`s pure propaganda and BS.
I was associated with the the Northern California Indonesian Cathoilic Community for 20 years and I know what I am talking about.
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Northern California Indonesian Catholic Community
I concur with this. I am living in Indonesia now, Sentani, Papua to be more precise, and I see more moslems now than I did fifteen years ago. I hear more mosques now, too. Imwould be very surprised if Indonesia as a whole left islam.
Hhh... your statement really demean not only the newly convert Christians but also Christ Himself. It basically says you don’t believe that the Holy Spirit works on many Indonesians that have been called to Him.
I’m not saying there’s no fake conversion, but a blanket statement such as yours really will only result in closing the door for evangelizing the Indonesians. BTW, the biggest denomination of Indonesian church is HKBP, a Lutheran church brought by German missionaries to Batak ethnic, particularly Nommensen. His works only showed their fruits in late 19th century, and early 20th century. Even the predominantly Christian regions (Maluku, Sulawesi Utara, Sumatra Utara, Papua, etc) adopted Christianity only in 18-19th century. If we follow your suggestion, only Fransiskus Xaverius Satiman, the earliest known Indonesian Christian, can be considered ‘legitimate’.
Di masa depan, mungkin lebih baik jika Anda menulis hal2 yg Anda kuasai. Tulisan seperti ini bisa membawa masalah tambahan untuk orang Kristen di Indonesia. Masalah mereka sudah cukup banyak. Tuhan berkati.