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Court Prevents Forcible Shaving of Alleged Ft. Hood Shooter
breitbart.com ^ | August 16, 2012 | AWR Hawkins

Posted on 08/18/2012 2:37:31 PM PDT by PROCON

Court proceedings against accused Ft. Hood shooter Major Nidal Hasan were halted by an order issued Wednesday by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces. The order came as Col. Gregory Gross, the judge presiding over Hasan's court-martial, announced that Hasan would be forcibly shaved if he did not comply with Army regulations and shave his beard himself.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: forthoodmassacre; haman; islamofacism; nidalhasan; nidalhasantrial; usarmy
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To: PROCON

We are still paying him his officers’ salary. His ass belongs to us.


41 posted on 08/19/2012 11:01:09 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (Only Obama put a dog on the roof of his mouth. Dogs are friends, not food.)
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To: PROCON
I heard somewhere that the 0bama regime doesn't want this court case happening until after the November election, what a sham!

It would seem that this decision would help the case go forward sooner, we can hope.

42 posted on 08/19/2012 11:52:40 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. -- George Bernard Shaw)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Oooh! Good idea! Make it hurt a lot!

43 posted on 08/19/2012 11:54:23 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. -- George Bernard Shaw)
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To: Slings and Arrows
OUCH!!!
44 posted on 08/19/2012 11:58:25 AM PDT by Stonewall Jackson ("I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy.")
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To: BlueLancer

Thank you for this detailed explanation! Love the part where the case is on the docket every day going forward... tick...tick...


45 posted on 08/19/2012 11:59:13 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. -- George Bernard Shaw)
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To: Albion Wilde

Don’t forget the aftershave.


46 posted on 08/19/2012 12:00:57 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Stonewall Jackson

Precisely.


47 posted on 08/19/2012 12:01:21 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: BlueLancer
"Myself" should be "me" in the third paragraph.

Not if you're Irish it shouldn't.

48 posted on 08/19/2012 12:02:40 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. -- George Bernard Shaw)
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To: BlueLancer
Thanks for the straight poop. These legal proceedings and become very confusing for us in the Peanut Gallery.

"Myself" should be "me" in the third paragraph.

How about, "The court reporter and I..."

49 posted on 08/19/2012 12:05:02 PM PDT by upchuck ("Definition of 'racist:' someone that is winning an argument with a liberal." ~ Peter Brimelow)
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To: Slings and Arrows
Don’t forget the aftershave.

Straight rubbing alcohol. By mouth.

50 posted on 08/19/2012 12:05:55 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. -- George Bernard Shaw)
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To: seekthetruth; cindy-true-supporter; ExTexasRedhead

ping


51 posted on 08/19/2012 12:07:51 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. -- George Bernard Shaw)
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To: PROCON
So 'Court Marshall' this guy! GET HIM out of Military; and OFF paid MILITARY Salary - and then 'carry on' with this trial and get it over with.

Stop compromising Justice!

GET the biggest and most damning enabler of this Islamist creep, OUT OF OUR WHITE HOUSE!

52 posted on 08/19/2012 9:12:26 PM PDT by cricket
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To: PROCON
So 'Court Marshall' this guy! GET HIM out of Military; and OFF paid MILITARY Salary - and then 'carry on' with this trial and get it over with.

Stop compromising Justice!

GET the biggest and most damning enabler of this Islamist creep, OUT OF OUR WHITE HOUSE!

53 posted on 08/19/2012 9:12:32 PM PDT by cricket
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To: texas booster; Texas Fossil
"Can you comment, not as lawyer understandably, on the comments in post 32 by Texas Fossil?"

Well, to be completely honest, I don't know all of the ins-and-outs of the interplay of jurisdiction between State, Federal, and in-State locations under Federal supervision.

Normally, if a solder commits an offense on-post, whether it be against another soldier or a civilian, the Army takes jurisdiction. If a soldier commits an offense off-post, the State gets to make first call if they want to prosecute or not. Depending on the status of the "victim" (was it another soldier, a civilian, or an off-post business), the severity of the crime, and how the County/City prosecutor views the outcome in civilian court versus the possible result in military court, the State will either keep or surrender jurisdiction.

Now, since the offense took place on post and was committed by a soldier, my guess is that the State wasn't given the option of asserting jurisdiction. If the "civilian" victims of the shooting had any connection with the military .. such as being a retiree, an on-post civilian employee, a dependent wife or husband .. that bolsters the military's assertion of jurisdiction.

Now, that doesn't necessarily negate the possibility of civil court action against MAJ Hasan for the killings. I am out of my league there. I was a military court reporter for 18 years (having been an infantryman/M60 gunner for my first three years in the Army until my promotion to SGT) and have been the civil service court installation court reporter on Fort Hood since 1994. My expertise, such as it is, is strictly within military court parameters.

54 posted on 08/20/2012 5:21:58 AM PDT by BlueLancer ("No friend ever served me, and no enemy ever wronged me, whom I have not repaid in full" (Sulla))
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To: BlueLancer

I have no experience with military courts.

But the actions of the court clearly tell me that this is not just another case. It is being directed by political forces. Those are coming through the chain of command from the White Hut and the Liar-in-Chief.

This is not how military justice is normally handled.

Makes me wonder if there is a political connection between Obozo and Hassan that has not previously been exposed. He was on the transition team, what else?


55 posted on 08/20/2012 5:29:14 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil
Well, all death penalty cases are inherently political. So, to that degree, you are correct.

However, I haven't seen any wide variance between how this case has been handled .. on the basic in-the-courtroom level .. and that of any other case of a similar nature. Now, I will grant you that we haven't had another mass killing like this on any post to the best of my knowledge. However, we have had serious murder cases here on Fort Hood, without the sheer number of victims and masses of evidence, that have taken a lengthy time to get to trial.

The Article 32 requirement for a pretrial trial (akin to a grand jury on steroids), the multiple victims, the hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of pieces of documentary and physical evidence all go to stretching out the timeline. I know the military judge personally and can tell you that he is being very very careful to ensure that all of legal dotted-I's and crossed-T's are made to alleviate the possibility of a successful appeal at the conclusion of the proceedings.

With the public opinion status of military justice being what it is (ie, military justice is to justice as military music is to music), everything needs to go right down the line according the Manual for Courts-Martial to ensure that no legal loophole exists at the end of the trial that could give the accused an escape-line.

It may seem to be an open-and-shut case but the legal rights of the accused as delineated by the Constitution and the Manual for Courts-Martial must be met .. and, in this case, exceeded .. to ensure that the accused gets what is coming to him in the end.

56 posted on 08/20/2012 5:45:41 AM PDT by BlueLancer ("No friend ever served me, and no enemy ever wronged me, whom I have not repaid in full" (Sulla))
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To: BlueLancer

I am glad it is in capable hands.

The military justice system does not have a reputation of the PC disease that has become normal in our civilian court system.

BUT, I have seen evidence of the infecting the Officer ranks in the military. Classic example: Weasely Clark

We all want justice. This case screams for it.


57 posted on 08/20/2012 9:06:54 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: PROCON

Since he is still in the Army, give the guy an Article 15 and forfeit all pay for each month he refuses to shave.


58 posted on 08/20/2012 9:15:49 AM PDT by CodeToad (Anticipate their arrival...they won't.)
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To: Texas Fossil

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Hassan was a member of Obama’s Transition Team

White House spinner Stephanie Cutter (of “Romney killed this woman!” reknown) was the chief spokesperson for Obama’s Transition Team

Do I need to diagram this?

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59 posted on 08/20/2012 4:46:51 PM PDT by devolve (-------------------- ------- "...maybe a little blow... line by line -------------)
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To: devolve

Nope


60 posted on 08/20/2012 7:23:21 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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