Here's another non-linearity article, it's quite thought provoking.
Ice Cores and the Age of the Earth by Larry Vardiman, Ph.D.
Posted on 08/17/2012 11:21:22 AM PDT by fishtank
It seems to me that statistics must always be an approximation of what is not directly known or knowable. In that sense, it is never "direct" knowledge of anything, just a substitution for that direct knowledge....
Oh, I so agree, dearest sister in Christ!
There's nothing "accidental" about mathematics.... It didn't "make itself up"; that is, it has a "given" structure.
Or so it seems to me!
God's Name is I AM. [IOW, perfect, absolute, eternal BEING.]
Thats partly why I mentioned it...
Theres something fresh, clean, and simple about duality..
Some prefer complicated, dirty and stale... buts thats another Oder of Magnitude..
Still leaves me plenty of room.
Better to remain silent and be thought dumb, than to speak and remove all doubt (to coin a phrase . . . oh, did someone beat me to it?)
Nevertheless, I propose to hazard a small opening:
"In the beginning" is a none to subtle hint that perhaps there is no such thing as eternity or infinity (except, of course, as useful mathematical or philosophical constructs). Let's see . . . what was the initial question that got this started?
It seems to me that issues of relativistic and quantum behavior could be further illuminated by the reintroduction of Final Cause to science.
It is even awkward to speak about information theory in molecular biology without mentioning final cause. Phrases such as "apparent function" are being used evidently to avoid the word "purpose" or any other obvious reference to Final Cause.
And thank you, dearest sister in Christ, for relating that to your insights about things which change and things which do not change!
Fascinating and informative!
[ “In the beginning” is a none to subtle hint that perhaps there is no such thing as eternity or infinity ]
True but it generates a question.. The beginning of what?..
1) the earth....
2) the universe..
3) humans....
4) God...
5) a remodeled earth..
6) the devine drama..
7) something we can barely conceive of...
8) Hubris....
9) Wives...
10) Gender..
** seems like to me the only ones concerned about eternity are people that will die.. The bible(and other sacred texts) indicates virtually every human that ever lived will live for eternity somewhere.. Maybe humans lived before but were given a fleshly space suit to exist on this planet.. and will live again somewhere..
You know... after their space suit assumes room temperature.
The divine drama may be legendary lore BUT maybe it’s NOT...
We being spirits sent here to obtain a human experience..
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. - John 1:1-3
Cosmic microwave background measures since the 1960's forward agree - space/time is expanding, i.e. there was a beginning of real space and real time.
Or to put it another way, space/time does not pre-exist but is created as the universe expands.
To people who have difficulty with geometric physics, may I suggest that energy/momentum may be seen as comparable to time passing and the same observation applies: there was a real beginning of energy/momentum.
Indeed, Aristotle explained the concept of "time" by simply counting: 1, 2, 3 etc.
In the absence of time, events cannot occur.
Both are required for physical causation.
Also, the singularity of big bang cosmology is not nothing:
It is not nothing. It is a spatial point. A singularity is not nothing.
In ex nihilo Creation (beginning of space/time) - the dimensions are not merely zero, they are null, dimensions do not exist at all. There is no space and no time. Period.
There is no mathematical point, no volume, no content, no scalar quantities. Ex nihilo doesn’t exist in relationship to anything else; there is no thing.
In an existing physical space, each point (e.g. particle) can be parameterized by a quantity such as mass. The parameter (e.g. a specific quantity within the range of possible quantities) is in effect another descriptor or quasi-dimension that uniquely identifies the point within the space.
Moreover, if the quantity of the parameter changes for a point, then a time dimension is invoked. For example, at one moment the point value is “0” and the next it is “1”.
Wave propagation (e.g. big bang, inflation) cannot occur in null dimensions nor can it occur in zero spatial dimensions, a mathematical point; a dimension of time is required for any fluctuation in a parameter value at a point.
Moreover, wave propagation must also have a spatial/temporal relation from cause point to effect point, i.e. physical causation.
For instance “0” at point nt causes “1” at point n+1t+1 which causes "0" at point n+1t+2 etc..
Obviously, physical wave propagation (e.g. big bang/inflationary model) cannot precede space/time and physical causality.
And he realizes that only God, beyond space/time and physical causation, can be the uncaused cause of causation, the first cause, The Creator of the beginning.
Space, time and physical causation are not properties of God the Creator. They are properties of the Creation. Only God is uncaused.
Order cannot arise from chaos in an unguided physical system. Period. There are always guides to the system whether one is using chaos theory, self-organizing complexity, cellular automata or whatever to analyze complexification, entropy and order.
God's Name is I AM, YHwH (HE IS), Alpha, Omega, Word.
Here's another non-linearity article, it's quite thought provoking.
Ice Cores and the Age of the Earth by Larry Vardiman, Ph.D.
RE: "apparent function": Oh my, them be "weasel words."
Why can't they simply state the obvious — A biological function operates for a purpose or goal; that is, it indicates a Final Cause is at work.
Thank you dearest sister in Christ for your outstanding observations!
Indeed — the "prime mover" of all that exists.
Thank you ever so much, dearest sister in Christ, for this amazingly informative essay/post!
The “beginning.” The “Big Bang” (inflation) according to the Mullahs of Science (a concept they would have adamantly rejected less than a century ago, when “everything” was in an eternal “steady state”). We have not a clue what came before the “Big Bang,” but “something” must have (surely). It is at this point in their speculations that the Science Mullahs leave the pure rarified atmosphere of the icy confines of Science and descend into the sordid and murky depths of (P)philosophy and (R)religion (absent the consciousness of an abrupt change of venue – apparently).
With respect to “eternity” and “infinity,” I do not understand the point of trying to place a value on things that are, by definition, measureless (I’ve previously noted a mathematical and philosophical exception). The logical impossibility of a literal “eternity” or “infinity” should be obvious (as A-G illustrates in #108).
I heard a great analysis of the eternal, and of origins.
If there was EVER a time in the past when there was ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, what would there be “today”? Nothing, of course.
So, there had to be something. But that “something” could neither be matter or energy, because either could not, according to scientific law, be eternal - they’d go to null or non-existance in the eternal before “now”.
So, that Something had to be Mind. The Eternal Mind, the I Am.
Understood, and agreed. The question is, how does one end up being argued in a discussion about the other, and why?
Good post Alamo-Girl.
Here’s another scripture quote w/ modern day scientific framing added...
Faith comes by hearing and hearing from the Word of God.
Science has found that we only ‘learn’ our language skills through mimicry; iow if we did not hear it from another [originally our Higher Source] then there’s no learning it without a translator. Furthermore even if we only ‘see’ it [the written word] someone still needs to provide us some feedback in order to begin deciphering it.
So God commands that faith must be shared even though God has provided the DNA programming for us to hear and see physically.
[I’m sure this could be improved/re-worded, but I’m short on time.]
That's a great question, tacticalogic!
Why do people want to compare apples and oranges?
Simply to say they are both "fruits" removes all distinctions between them, in advance.
This may simplify argument; but it does nothing to explicate the facts of reality (i.e., that apples are not oranges).
The great physicist Niels Bohr once remarked that "we are suspended in language," such that "we don't know what is 'up' or 'down'." I gather his point was that even science must acknowledge the perils and pitfalls of "mere" language, and do its "epistemic homework."
The knowledge we think we have of the world is nonsense, if it does not directly correspond to the actual facts of reality as observed by "objective" (e.g,. non-ideological) observers.
In short, he was referring science itself to the philosophical discipline of epistemology — the "science" of what do we humans know, how do we know it, and how do we know we know it. Plug in a little experience-based observation and logical reasoning there, and we must acknowledge that apples are not the same thing as oranges.... And thus ought not to be described in identical terms (i.e., because they're both "fruits").
I'm not sure these remarks help much in answering your question....
Thank you so much for writing, dear tacticalogic!
And it is this "Something" that so frightens the Mullahs of Science.
There’s a big difference between “science” as defined by application of the scientific method,
and the “science”, falsely so-called, that is merely extrapolation and conjecture based on assumptions with no founding besides a worldview.
[ So God commands that faith must be shared even though God has provided the DNA programming for us to hear and see physically. ]
Literally everyone has some faith...
It takes faith to go from point “A” to point “B”, faith that you will get back alive.. or why leave..
Its more a matter of what you have faith in I think...
People that commit suicide seem to have lost some faith in something..
But still have faith that doing it will relieve the pain of something haunting them..
Some even have faith that they have no faith..
Strange religion that... woo hoo... I’m thinking democrats..
[ The “beginning.” The “Big Bang” (inflation) according to the Mullahs of Science ]
I’m not sure there even was a Big Bang... nice Yarn though..
Gives some a base to ride like a trampoline.. or springy bed..
The Big Bang could be a juvenile way of looking at things..
Juveniles so love to jump on beds..
It does take some “faith” to believe that some “GOD THING” could perform telekinesis.. all at once..
And create a Universe out of whatever he/it had to create it out of.. like say; “dark energy”..
The Big Bang looks to me like science fiction...
Which MUST be logical to a human, reality has no need to be logical to humans..
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