Posted on 08/15/2012 10:49:36 PM PDT by South40
Support is growing for a proposed Colorado amendment to legalize marijuana, a new poll released Wednesday shows, and the referendum could upend the former member of the Choom Gang who currently occupies the White House.
The latest survey from Democratic-leaning Public Policy Polling (PPP) shows that 47 percent of likely Colorado voters support Amendment 64, which will appear on the state ballot in November. That's a small uptick since PPP's June survey, which showed 46 percent support, but opposition to the measure is dropping. Only 38 percent of voters oppose Amendment 64 in Wednesday's poll, down from 42 percent in June.
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Europe for thousands of years, while having it available, refused to adopt Cannabis as an intoxicant
Exactly - thanks for supporting Marie's observation.
the instant change of a person when they become a pot user, is a well known cookie cutter, mind meld, phenomenon, that we have all observed.
I've observed pot users and never seen an "instant change."
Also a well known practice in our nation's correctional facilities.
As Will Rogers said, "It's not what he doesn't know that bothers me, it's what he knows for sure that just ain't so."
Are you saying people are too stupid or weak to make their own decisions?
Is the destruction of the fabric of our country worth it because the great, wise, and wonderful ansell judge people to be incapable of uttering 2 words - "No, Thanks".
Thanks for letting us see you for exactly for what you are.
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
C. S. Lewis
Have you ever lived in a house that grew pot right outside the front door and was considered excellent and was sold to discerning Southern California customers?
Pot will store for years, unlike tomatoes you can bag your pot and store garbage bags of excess pot and future reserves for Christmas gifts, parties, to sell for pocket cash, whatever, it doesn’t need to be devoured that week, and frankly, the motivation of a drug user for drugs, is a little stronger than a motivation to have a homegrown tomato in December.
How heavily are tomatoes taxed? How long does a vine ripe tomato last? What is your growing season? Ever try to grow tomatoes in a closet, they are a messy plant and the fruit will rotten and the plant goes everywhere, and rapidly becomes ugly.
Growing pot is much, much, much easier and neater than growing tomatoes, and you can grow the entire years supply in one batch, easier than you can grow tomatoes.
If you grow tomatoes, then you are already a pot growing expert.
I am not confusing anything. You said people are "scared sh$$less" of pure liberty, and well they should be. I've made the point, and backed it up; choose to accept it or not. I don't care. Words have meanings, though. Abdicating control leaves the conversation open corruption and misunderstanding; something the libs are very good at on both accounts. If you didn't mean pure liberty, which I am well aware you didn't, you should not have said "pure liberty".
LOL! We weren't talking about God's laws. Do you seriously think all legitimate authority from government comes from God?
And there's the problem. God's laws are the basis of the founding of this country. The Founding Fathers made that abundantly clear in both the Constitution, the Federalist papers, and their personal writings. Yes, I do believe in the God's sovereignty, and he legitimizes all things; bad or good.
So answer me this - Do I, as an individual, have the legal authority
I am going to jump to this one, because out of everything said, this is by far most thought provoking question/statement made by either of us so far. It's also a question that every Christian needs to ponder long and hard.
Do you as an individual have the legal authority to do...insert any number of outrageous governmental actions here. Categorically, and emphatically NO!, you as an individual do not. Now as a representative of a legally elected government do you have legal authority; assuming you are acting on behest of the government; yes you do, conditionally.
"OH MY GOD, HE'S CONDONING TRYANNY!"...I can hear you yelling at the monitor, now. Relax, if that were the end of it, you would be 100% correct. It's not so we'll continue.
Since, governments get the right to govern from God, they have a responsibilities inherit with that mandate. The idea of moral governance in the West has it roots firmly based in the bible. God grants the mandate with the understanding that the governors will be good stewards; read reflecting the characteristics of God. Once a government crosses the line, becoming ethically and morally bankrupt, it loses moral legitimacy to govern.
I really need to go (work calls), so I'll cut it short by saying, "Our society and government have become morally and ethically bankrupt." I do not believe that our government has upheld the mandate given to it. Read the story of the Israelites crying for Saul to be their king, if you want to know how I think the story will turn out.
In the end, our Fore Fathers would have already taken up arms against their own government by now, and it is only the fact that we are lost in the wilderness that we haven't, yet. Take that however you will. MamaT', I can tell you are a heartfelt patriot, and I am glad we are on the same side; even if we don't see things exactly 100% eye to eye. God's speed and take care.
A person can grow a single pot plant and have a supply of pot for years
Sounds fishy to me. Can you provide evidence for this claim?
people will strive to grow the best pot and give it away, just like people do with their tomato plants
And yet every grocery sells tomatoes. Thanks for undermining your own argument.
Have you ever lived in a house that grew pot right outside the front door and was considered excellent and was sold to discerning Southern California customers?
No. Have you? And what does this question have to do with any of the points I addressed?
Pot will store for years,
Sounds fishy to me. Can you provide evidence for this claim?
unlike tomatoes
You never heard of canning?
you can bag your pot and store garbage bags of excess pot and future reserves for Christmas gifts, parties, to sell for pocket cash, whatever,
So when you said, "A person can grow a single pot plant and have a supply of pot for years" you meant only that they could have SOME pot for years? I guess that's a less ridiculous claim than saying a single plant would yield a steady years-long supply - assuming you have any evidence that pot will store for years.
How heavily are tomatoes taxed?
How is your question relevant?
What is your growing season? Ever try to grow tomatoes in a closet, they are a messy plant and the fruit will rotten and the plant goes everywhere, and rapidly becomes ugly.
Growing pot is much, much, much easier and neater than growing tomatoes
You haven't addressed my point about fertilization - and somehow I don't think I'd be wise to hold my breath waiting.
Legalizing drugs will not save the fabric of our country, it will only destroy it and increase the welfare state, and create a permanent, and permanently growing, underclass, until in time, we will come to physicallyresemble the traditional Cannabis countries.
Given the level of full-on, nail-scraping, hair-pulling paranoia you've put on display here on this thread, I'm beginning to think you're a raging pothead yourself. And a self-loathing one at that.
I said what I meant and meant what I said.
"Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual."
--Thomas Jefferson to Isaac H. Tiffany, 1819.
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Yes, I do believe in the God's sovereignty, and he legitimizes all things; bad or good.
It is not your belief in the sovereignty of God that concerns me.
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Do you as an individual have the legal authority to do...insert any number of outrageous governmental actions here. Categorically, and emphatically NO!, you as an individual do not.
Good. We've agreed to that much, at least.
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Now as a representative of a legally elected government do you have legal authority; assuming you are acting on behest of the government; yes you do, conditionally.
LOL! Only if you believe we elect overlords, not representatives. The 10th Amendment prohibits anything not aforementioned in the Constitution and reserves it to the states and the People......period. To believe less means you act as if the Constitution is a living document, and THAT is not acceptable.
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I can tell you are a heartfelt patriot, and I am glad we are on the same side; even if we don't see things exactly 100% eye to eye. God's speed and take care.
LOL! Agreed! Pace yourself at work and stay safe. :-)
Gosh, canning, really? Prison booze?
This is childish.
Talking drugs with druggies never gets anywhere.
Ad hominem attack without substance. That looks like something a liberal would write.
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Legalizing drugs will not save the fabric of our country,That really isn't the question.
You're right. The question "does the government have the legitimate authority to make them illegal in the first place?" is.
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it will only destroy it and increase the welfare state, and create a permanent, and permanently growing, underclass, until in time, we will come to physicallyresemble the traditional Cannabis countries.
Wow! I didn't know you could predict the future.
Do you have next weeks Powerball numbers?
Why would you assume that I’m a druggie?! Because I believe that the WOD is a ridiculous waste of time, resources and treasure?? Because I believe that rehabilitation is more effective than prison? Because I believe in liberty and personal freedom?
I’m an army wife and a former homeschool veteran. I didn’t even touch alcohol until I was in my 30’s. I took a percocet at the age of 26 (I cracked my jaw) and ended up in the ER because I thought I was dying. I had no idea what ‘high’ was supposed to feel like.
I’ve known druggies and I’ve known people who have done drugs. It’s the same contrast between an alcoholic and someone who drinks alcohol.
Baloney.
In all cases above, fermentable sugars are allowed to react, in solution, with naturally-occurring yeast. The yeast turns the sugar into alcohol and gas. Exceptionally simple. The distilling process which turns the fermented liquor into booze is just a simple boil and condensation procedure.
In fact, the very first beer was probably created entirely by accident - an accident of nature, in which stored grain was left outside in a container, which filled with water, and nature took over.
Ansel12, your arguments today are as ridiculous, childish, and paranoid as they were seven years ago when you first started posting to WoD threads.
This is childish.
In the ansel12-tionary, "childish" is defined as "uncontestably refuting my claims."
Talking drugs with druggies never gets anywhere.
Another Drug Warrior tucks tail and prepares to run after being bested in the forum of reasoned debate. In other news, the sun rose in the east.
Why would you assume that I’m a druggie?! Because I believe that the WOD is a ridiculous waste of time, resources and treasure?? Because I believe that rehabilitation is more effective than prison? Because I believe in liberty and personal freedom?
Yes, yes, and yes. Cowardly slurs are the Drug Warriors' stock in trade. (Funny how they so often claim to be defending civilization and/or morality, when their online behavior is so beneath contempt.)
well done.
To support the legality of a substance is not to "promote" its use. Are those who support the legality of the drug alcohol thereby "promoting" alcohol use?
People all over the world have used it for at least 5000 years, people use it as much as they want today and always will use it as long as light, dirt and water exists. This plant grew openly EVERYWHERE until the mid 20th century.
Most of our founding fathers smoked hemp as well as other mind altering plants. It was the NUMBER ONE crop in the world until the cotton gin. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_politicians_who_admit_to_cannabis_use#section_1
Prohibition only controls who makes the money from it, not whether it is used. There is not a SINGLE person out there that doesn't smoke because of prohibition. This is a plant that any 12 year old can grow - and they often do. People are willing to pay more for this plant than its weight in $20 bills! You can NEVER stop something so valuable that “grows on trees”.
In Alaska, except for a few years in the early 1970s, it has ALWAYS been legal to grow and possess for personal use. The state hasn't collapsed or turned “Arab”. In fact, it is one of the wealthiest states per capita.
Prohibition does NOTHING to stop people from smoking it. In fact, I know many people that smoke BECAUSE of this idiotic prohibition. I myself started smoking cigarettes again because of Bloomberg’s second-hand laws. I don't smoke hemp because it is my own personal choice but I only need to dress nice and go out to have dealers throwing their cards at me. If you have money, you don't even need to look for it. It finds you...
Purposely doing things that are unjustly prohibited is instinctual to free people.
It was legal in the entire USA until 1937. Were we an Arab country at any point?
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