Posted on 08/15/2012 10:49:36 PM PDT by South40
Support is growing for a proposed Colorado amendment to legalize marijuana, a new poll released Wednesday shows, and the referendum could upend the former member of the Choom Gang who currently occupies the White House.
The latest survey from Democratic-leaning Public Policy Polling (PPP) shows that 47 percent of likely Colorado voters support Amendment 64, which will appear on the state ballot in November. That's a small uptick since PPP's June survey, which showed 46 percent support, but opposition to the measure is dropping. Only 38 percent of voters oppose Amendment 64 in Wednesday's poll, down from 42 percent in June.
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I guess you are one of those old fashioned, middle American conservatives that were pushing for drugs for the kids in the 1960s, I don't recall meeting any of you, basically because they didn't exist, but I sure met a mass of left wing dope heads, and lefty politicians that loved the idea.
Were you promoting drug use in the 1960s?
So you want to legalize and mainstream the drug culture.
With the great welfare system that we have, producing more democrat voters, and dependent people, and shattered lives, is bad, in my view.
I see that culture becoming more Arab like, except with western social support, and the power of the vote, combined with a rapidly growing, permanent, underclass of stoners and addicts, and babies.
LOL!
Presume much?
Actually, I'm one of those old fashioned, American conservatives who knows government has no legitimate authority to protect us from our own actions. It has to do with that pesky thing called Freedom.
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It has also been my experience that some people like to hide behind the false label of 'social conservative'.....
because what they really mean is social CONTROL.
Another featherweight straw-man pugilist I see.
Awwww. cut 'em, some slack.
When it gets down to it, straw-men, obfuscation and ad hominem attacks are pretty much all they have.
;-)
because what they really mean is social CONTROL.
Those "conservatives" are authoritarians who love big government so long as it is aimed at "those people" however they define them.
Imagine how it will be after a few generations.
No one ever looks at the section of the world that has been using Cannabis and Hashish for a couple of thousand years, while Europe refused to adopt it as an intoxicant, but did use beer and wine, and alcohol.
One culture became vibrant, and healthy, the others became like the universal pothead that we all know.
“So you want to legalize and mainstream the drug culture.”
How does saying, “I’m against the WOD,” imply that I want to legalize and mainstream the drug culture?
It’s like assuming that if I say, “I’m against the TSA,” that I want terrorists to take over airplanes.
Liberals identify a problem. Then they apply a ineffective solution to the problem. When they don’t get the result they want, they assume that they didn’t do ENOUGH of the solution.
With the WOD, conservatives think a LOT like liberals.
The facts are these:
- the WOD has directly cause a loss of civil rights for all Americans. (How many articles are there posted here on FR of innocent Americans being hurt or killed by improper ‘no knock’ warrants?)
- the WOD is ineffective. Prohibition always is. We have a higher drug addiction rate now that we did when these things were legal. The more we enforce drug laws, the higher the abuse rate.
- the WOD is expensive and we don’t get the bang for our buck. Many other countries have found more effective ways to deal with drug abusers than prison. Rehab is not perfect, but it works much better than jail.
- the WOD catches innocent pain patients and doctors in the crossfire. Even patients with legitimate medical needs are seen as abusers and potential criminals. Old ladies are treated as addicts and criminals.
- one of the core principles of conservationism is PERSONAL responsibility. It is NOT our job to regulate another person’s mistakes. It is NOT our job to protect adults from themselves.
No. I’m not saying, “Everybody get high!” I’m saying that what we are doing isn’t working.
Another poster said that they were worried about kids getting into their parents’ stash.
According to my kids, it’s a hell of a lot easier to get pot than alcohol. Alcohol is regulated. It costs more.
Most pot-heads do NOT want MJ legalized. Then it will be heavily regulated and taxed. The price will go through the roof.
If you don’t want to legalize it then we keep enforcing laws.
Problems with law enforcement is not because of the contraband, that they are seeking, it is with their methods, war on drugs, war on guns, war whatever, the changes the voters need to make are not to legalize drugs, that actually ignores the issues.
Legal pot will never bring in taxes, growing the best pot for selling under the table will become the cottage industry of America, while the majority of users just grow their own, America will be under a mountain of pot, people will not know how to get rid of all the pot they grow.
“If you don’t want to legalize it then we keep enforcing laws.”
Yeah. Do more of the very thing that isn’t working.
“Problems with law enforcement is not because of the contraband, that they are seeking, it is with their methods, war on drugs, war on guns, war whatever, the changes the voters need to make are not to legalize drugs, that actually ignores the issues.”
The WOD is *so bad* that it would actually be better for our country to legalize drugs than it is to continue down this path of ruin.
“Legal pot will never bring in taxes, growing the best pot for selling under the table will become the cottage industry of America, while the majority of users just grow their own, America will be under a mountain of pot, people will not know how to get rid of all the pot they grow.”
Sure. Just like home brewers have shut down all of the liquor stores.
Don’t you get it? We would have LESS crime, FEWER gangs and probably fewer addicts if drugs were legal.
Right here on FR a few weeks ago I read an article that today’s teens were more likely to smoke pot than cigarettes!
Prohibition always generates the direct opposite of it’s stated intent. ALWAYS.
Just one more quick point:
Everything you are saying is a fear-based projection of the unknown.
But the reality is that drugs have been legalized in other places and what you feared simply did NOT happen.
The drug problems in Mexico is OUR FAULT. We have the demand and the drug cartels have the supply. A *huge* part of the illegal border crossings are drug related.
The WOD is causing nothing but destruction. We’d be better off if we legalized drugs, then spent a fraction of that money on education and rehabilitation.
BALONEY.
If that were the case, Massachusetts and much of New England would be Weed Paradise.
Suppose CO votes to legalize. Do you support its authority under the Tenth Amendment to enact such a policy?
The hard left friend, the hard left.
That is why the democrats push it under the radar and locally, but they don’t want to push another element of the democrat party to the republicans, like they did with guns and abortion.
Right now they have already taken on the ‘liberty’ issue of allowing all individuals to define marriage as they will.
Homosexual marriage, polygamy, and then drugs.
You’re welcome. ;o)
Europe for thousands of years, while having it available, refused to adopt Cannabis as an intoxicant, and it shows when compared with the regions that preferred it.
While you know nothing about pot growing and taxes, you also don't seem to have seen the drug world of the 1960s and watched as people literally changed over night, in fact, the instant change of a person when they become a pot user, is a well known cookie cutter, mind meld, phenomenon, that we have all observed. It is amazing how similar it is to the old Cannabis world appearance and behavior
Ridiculous, beer is complicated and takes fine ingredients, that is why we don't make it ourselves,(yes, I have made beer), Scotch is complicated, wine is complicated.
If you grow tomatoes, then you are already a pot growing expert. Pot is a weed, many of us have had pot plant volunteers sprout up from nowhere, and it grows big, healthy, and strong on it's own. Growing great pot is just like growing tomatoes, except much easier and less messy.
You can grow pot in your closet if you want, fill your backyard with it, and it is much, much easier than tomato plants.
A person can grow a single pot plant and have a supply of pot for years, there will be almost no taxes from pot, people will strive to grow the best pot and give it away, just like people do with their tomato plants, it will be a friendly competition, every stoner is a recruiter, pot heads love to push pot on everyone else, because they think that it is a life changer, and it is.
Ever smoked any of that pot that sprouted up from nowhere? It has minimal cannabinoid content because, for starters, it hasn't been prevented from being fertilized - something you don't have to worry about with tomatoes.
A person can grow a single pot plant and have a supply of pot for years
Sounds fishy to me. Can you provide evidence for this claim?
people will strive to grow the best pot and give it away, just like people do with their tomato plants
And yet every grocery sells tomatoes. Thanks for undermining your own argument.
Exactly! Yet their hypocritical stance fails to support them when it's something they think is right. Substitute guns for drugs, and the argument pretty much settles itself, IMHO.
I haven't figured out if they really can't see it [due to generations of public educational programming], or they just don't want too.
Oh please. I’ve known soldiers who’ve made booze from fruit cocktail or cheap juice.
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