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We had chances during the primaries to choose a real conservative, but America wanted this homosexual-loving, pro-abortion rino, from Massachusetts. Who knows why, but now we get exactly what we deserve. Although I suspect no matter who we voted for it would have ended up with the same results.

The republicans and the democrats have all been brainwashed by the same college professors after all. They all secretly agree with each other on abortion, and gun control, and immigration, and giving our industrial base to communist china. people don't like to hear that though.

Pass the Chic-Fil-A please.

1 posted on 08/08/2012 5:27:59 AM PDT by IbJensen
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Personally, I felt - and continue to feel - that Newt Gingrich would make an excellent president.

Alas, America’s Republicans didn’t agree with me.


86 posted on 08/08/2012 10:45:26 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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>>>Romney said, “I support the right of the Boy Scouts of America to decide what it wants to do on that issue. I feel that all people should be able to participate in the Boy Scouts regardless of their sexual orientation.” <<<

Weasel words. In the first sentence, he’s saying that it’s up to the Boy Scouts. In the second sentence, he’s telling us what he would do if he was in charge of the Boy Scouts, which he isn’t, so it doesn’t matter.

He’s just trying to wiggle around the issue by trying to appeal to all sides. Which, by the way, doesn’t make me feel real confident about the guy.


93 posted on 08/08/2012 11:28:52 AM PDT by redpoll
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IbJensen, you are right; even on this forum, all the attention was on the Santorum-Gingrich fight for second place, which ultimatley meant nothing. Our own primary voters are to blame for American’s certain decline.


99 posted on 08/08/2012 12:26:55 PM PDT by Theodore R. (Past is prologue: The American people again let us down in this election cycle.)
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Everytime I cross over the line to full ABO thinking regardless of my dissatisfaction with Romney he pulls the legs out from under me yet again.

Even if he beats ABO, he’s not going to change a damn thing and instead of destroying the country in 4 years he’ll do it in 6-8 years.

I’m afraid we are doomed. And we have no country to move to.

Let’s face it, it comes down to individual states. We conservatives need to take as many states as possible (KS made great moves in their primary yesterday) and force Congress to move in their direction.

Pass as many conservative ideas and scream 9th and 10th amendment. Then ignore federal courts trying to stop them. Let those judges enforce their rulings!


117 posted on 08/08/2012 2:16:35 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are useless and useful idiots.)
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I am sure there are more learned Scouters on this forum, but here goes:

I am an Eagle Scout, my two sons are Eagles, and I have been a registered Scout or Leader for over 40 years. I have attended a lot of training classes, including Commissioner’s College, and was the point person with Sen. Jesse Helms’ office when he wrote the Boy Scouts’ equal access to rent school property law.

There are two rules in the BSA that are at issue here. The first is that no leader can have a conversation with anyone under 18 about anything sexual. You cannot ever talk about it with a youth or you, as a leader, will be permanently expelled.

The second rule is that Scouts cannot be sexually active.

The combination of the two rules creates a situation similar to don’t ask - don’t tell, HOWEVER, it also implies that if a leader is confronted with undeniable third-party proof that a Scout is sexually active (Susy is preggers and Scout Johnny admits paternity and it is “common knowledge”), then the Scout should be investigated for expulsion. If a leader finds out about Johnny and Susy, they are instructed to contact the Council Executive and report the matter. The leader is then suspended until the investigation is concluded (no big deal). A trained team takes over the investigation and includes experts from BSA Texas HQ. Most scouts in this situation resign quietly and there is not further action.

The rules apply to straight and homosexual Scouts equally.

The rules for adult leaders are different and are meant to prevent homosexuals from becoming leaders. The Catholic priest scandals have given the BSA a lot of cover here.

So, our Troop, with over 100 Eagles, has has some Eagles come back and tell us (when they are over 18), that they are homosexuals. Our position is absolutely neutral and they know they cannot return as leaders. The BSA rule is “Once an Eagle, always an Eagle”, so we let it go. After all, they are adults and we have zero authority at that point.

On a personal level, if a former Scout (now an adult) asks for advice, we can individually decide to guide him toward counseling, but that is not a BSA call.

Hope this helps.


120 posted on 08/08/2012 2:49:07 PM PDT by Andy from Chapel Hill
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What is the Girl Scout policy on male leaders?


127 posted on 08/08/2012 3:38:02 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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Willard during 1994 debate with ted Kennedy for US Senate in MASS

Question on Boy Scouts and gays joining...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEOJNw4lmlI


162 posted on 08/09/2012 10:02:36 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana (Why should I vote for Bishop Romney when he hates me because I am a Christian)
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Good for him.


168 posted on 08/09/2012 4:19:32 PM PDT by EnquiringMind
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Good for him.


169 posted on 08/09/2012 4:19:38 PM PDT by EnquiringMind
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