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To: fieldmarshaldj

As Rush says, I live in real-ville. We cannot dump “this loser.” He has enough delegates, most of whom are legally required to vote for him, to win the nomination. We can close our eyes, put our fingers in our ears, go “LA LA LA” and wish our guy or gal had won, but it doesn’t change reality.

Reality is we are stuck with Willard.

Reality is we have a Marxist in the White House now.

Reality is that with Obummer’s penchant for ruling by fiat and bypassing congress with the help of a fawning press, the next four years will be MUCH WORSE than the prior if he is re-elected.

Reality is that not voting or voting for a third party candidate will help the Obomination get re-elected.

Reality is that if you think you will “teach the Republicans a lesson” by not voting you may be doing your country irreparable harm, possibly leading to a violent second civil war.


11 posted on 08/06/2012 12:39:36 PM PDT by Crusher138 ("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
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To: Crusher138
Reality is the Republican Party does not need to show up at Willard's Convention.

He can be left to his own devices, and if he gets that nomination, that's what it's worth if he has none of the working party base with him.

So, where can a real convention be held real quick? Well, there's the big stadium in Indianapolis ~ huge place ~ three days there and we could have a candidate.

14 posted on 08/06/2012 12:44:00 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Crusher138
Reality is we are stuck with Willard.

I'm a free man. Know any good jokes about the democrat plantation? LOL
15 posted on 08/06/2012 12:44:16 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Crusher138
I'm right with you. Romney is a poor candidate, coming out of what I felt all along was a field of pretty poor candidates. I have no faith that he's not going to gaffe himself right out of contention.

I'm actually less worried about him on matters of policy because Obama has moved left so hard, that it makes the decision an easy one -- at least for me. I don't like Romney's position on some issues, but Obama's positions are generally so much worse. Obama is willing to kill our pseudo-capitalist system deliberately, based on his belief that the government can "do it better". Whatever other valid criticisms there are of Romney, I still think he's a much bigger believer in capitalism than Obama ever was. And the social issues won't go anywhere anyway.

But I don't have much faith Romney can pull this off.

18 posted on 08/06/2012 12:48:34 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Crusher138

Reality is that a vote for a 3rd party can help grow a 3rd party


19 posted on 08/06/2012 12:48:55 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Crusher138
Reality is that if you think you will “teach the Republicans a lesson” by not voting you may be doing your country irreparable harm, possibly leading to a violent second civil war. Even so, if conservatives are not made part of this convention, millions of Republicans will abandon the Romney/Whoever ticket. You can't get party unity by threatening dire consequences. You have to do it by accepting and embracing those you don't like and asking for their help in winning.
28 posted on 08/06/2012 1:02:35 PM PDT by excopconservative
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To: Crusher138

You want him, you vote for him. I’m not stuck with someone I never had any intention of voting for. I don’t vote for liars or Socialists, and since Willard is both...


29 posted on 08/06/2012 1:04:24 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: Crusher138
Reality is that if you think you will “teach the Republicans a lesson” by not voting you may be doing your country irreparable harm, possibly leading to a violent second civil war.

What are you worried about? We surround them. I'm not advocating civil war, but it's time we brought this thing to a showdown anyway.

"It's too late to work within the system, but too early to start shooting the bastards."
~ Claire Wolfe

36 posted on 08/06/2012 1:20:07 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Crusher138
No, you and Rush live in Wishville where Roll Over Blvd. is the name of the main drag.

You can roll over in surrender and vote for a stone-cold demonstrated liberal Democrat registered as a Republican and wish that he won't act like what he is ...

... or you can vote for a plurality and gamble on the fact that the last two times a liberal Democrat was elected president on a plurality, he was steamrolled by the Republican Revolution and then impeached -- in other words, pluralities have a history of FAVORING conservatives. We know that here in Realville.

Reality is that you folks in Wishville lack the courage to fight Obama and believe Republicans in Congress would lack it, too -- yet you wish what that same Congress will "hold Romney's feet to the fire." That isn't Realville, that's Wishville.

Reality is that not voting or voting for a third party candidate will help the Obomination get re-elected.

That sentiment lacks any address in Realville. In Realville, any and every third party vote is entirely neutral withe regard to favoring either major party candidate; it is MATH. Any and every third party vote counts toward reducing the popular vote count of whichever candidate wins. THAT IS MATH. But because you live in Wishville, where wishes are like fishes and you can have them fried, you can demonize those who refuse to vote the way you want them to by pretending that "a third party vote helps Obama get re-elected."

Over here in Realville, we would suggest you take up with HW Bush your idea that third party votes favor the incumbent when he's come to be loathed by the folks who voted for him previously, as Obama is becoming loathed as of now.

Over here in Realville, we remember all the boogie-man threats of executive orders and civil war and "American can't survive" etc. that have been levied at conservative Republicans since the days of Bill Clinton as a means to bully them into voting for liberal Republicans.

Meanwhile, in Wishville, where you and Rush live, you actually buy into the imaginary concept of "voting against Obama!" Maybe you can vote "against" in Wishville ...

... but here in Realville, we understand that indeed, on any ballot ever, you are only given the choice of voting FOR something.

I'm voting for a plurality because I live in Realville. You're voting for a stone-cold liberal Republican because you're in Wishville.

As Rush would say, "It is what it is."

37 posted on 08/06/2012 1:22:55 PM PDT by Finny (A deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition. Voting for Romney to avoid Obama is just that.)
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To: Crusher138
possibly leading to a violent second civil war.

The downside of that is getting increasingly hard to see.

38 posted on 08/06/2012 1:46:23 PM PDT by j_tull (Massachusetts once lead the American Revolution. Under Mitt Romney, it lead the demise.)
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To: Crusher138

Reality is that not voting or voting for a third party candidate will help the Obomination get re-elected.

Perhaps that was the GOP-e's mission this entire time. We were very clear, even in 2008, that Mitt Romney did not represent the conservative base whatsoever. We've stated repeated, even prior to the primary debates, that Mitt Romney was one of a few we would not support. Why do you suppose the established pushed for him regardless? To rub the Tea Party noses into the ground? Because they didn't believe us? Because they figured despite our sabres rattling we'd get our "asses in line" and support their insider anyway? I have no plans whatsoever of rewarding the establishment's behavior with my vote. Do whatever you want with yours.

Reality is that if you think you will “teach the Republicans a lesson” by not voting you may be doing your country irreparable harm, possibly leading to a violent second civil war.

You say that like subjugation is a better alternative than civil war. I disagree. I will not die on my knees subservient to those who feel themselves to be my betters. I am a "citizen", not a "subject". The American Dream is not dead where I live. If the tree of liberty is parched, what choice do we have but to water it?


52 posted on 08/06/2012 3:26:50 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Crusher138

Reality is that I am a conservative who happens to be registered Republican.

The GOP does not own my vote and I will support conservatives first. When the GOP-e GETS THAT THROUGH THEIR THICK SKULLS, and nominates a conservative, they can have my vote.


64 posted on 08/06/2012 7:41:07 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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