Posted on 08/04/2012 8:58:11 AM PDT by scottjewell
It’s hard to read about...Civil Rights... without playing a game of ‘what would I have done?’ ...
This spring when Obama described his “evolution”... I felt like I could relate...
When... people rise up and demonstrate their commitment to their rights... how do you say no to them in good conscience?
... one is inevitably reminded of the Civil Rights Movement. The pattern of non-violent resistance adopted by Martin Luther King had a complex beauty, operating at one time on so many levels...
The Civil Rights Movement placed the burden of black suffering squarely on the plates of people all over the country who otherwise felt that they had no part in Jim Crow oppression. It forced citizens [to choose sides]...
I can still make an esoteric argument that gay marriage is meddling or social engineering or whatnot, but I have lost my ability to put my soul behind it. Maybe you can sit across the table from a beloved friend and tell them that your straight family is more legitimate, more right, more legally and politically appropriate than theirs. Perhaps you can look into the eyes of people you care for and respect and explain that providing their children with the full legal protection of an official family would threaten something...
I am not going to do that. Eat your sandwich alone.
Before you put down that shake and reach for your Bible, let’s make something clear. According to the Bible, marriage is a sacred covenant between one man, one woman, his additional wives, his slaves, his wives’ slaves, his concubines, virgins he’s caught raping, and any women he happens to capture in battle...
This week that line of dead-enders stretches out the door of the Chick-fil-A.
Enjoy that sandwich. Your grandchildren will be so proud.
(Excerpt) Read more at blog.chron.com ...
I don't want two men to marry each other - or 5 men to marry each other. I don't want women to marry their sisters. Or boys to marry their mothers. The exact same argument gays are using in this article would also apply to any of the above groups.
And no, just because people are against it, doesn't make it the civil rights movement of the 60's.
We need to draw rational lines. We don't need to pick up on their irrational logic and hate. So please, don't use liberal logic against anyone. Leave that to them.
This guy isn’t a conservative. He’s a leftist in the traditional sense of the word and uses their arguements with delightful abandon. That alone should leave this moron out of any serious debate let alone allowing him to claim to be a conservative. Anyone who compares homosexual activism as equivalent to black civil rights has lost their minds. Blacks had restricted voting rights, they had restrictions on use of public facilities buses etc not just private ones they sufferred discrimination simply because of their race not anything related to their character or personal choice. A person who doesn’t understand this really just isn’t very intelligent. They are one of the left’s pavlov dogs who have been brainwashed/pinkwashed into an emotive mess of intectually dishonest goo.
There is nothing peaceful about the lgbt movement. Ask those who supported prop 8, the businesses that were vandalized, the individuals who lost their jobs, the churches which were defaced by homosexual supporters and their ilk. The magnitude of bad behavior from Homosexuals dwarfed any by prop any by prop 8 supporters but almost zero attention was paid to it. No one focused on the concerted organized effort at intimiate ad bully Prop 8 supporters. Instead the press lifts up every Christian fauxps or gay attack or suicide into a national quandry. That is the propaganda war we face.
This has nothing to do with liberty. Gays have the exact same liberty that every America does. None of us have a right to a blank check marriage license from the government.
The other night there was a show covering objectsexuals who have personal sexual relationships with cars and such. Do we grant marriage licenses and confer licenses for any possible sexual/emotional arrangement a person desires because that that is the lgbtqia (they keep adding letters) argument. Also they are working to shut down allowing those who have unwanted sexual desires help. As much as a third or more of “gay” men trace their sexual desires to sexual abuse as a child. The lgbtq community would have these individuals be forced to affirm their unwanted desires that were perpetrated on them as innocent children. It doesn’t matter that it is exactly these type of individuals that are at greater risk of continuing a cycle of abuse. Al of that doesn’t matter because all that matters is the political myth which is no more founded in fact than global warming.
I feel simultaneously angry and sad for this guy. He is a victim of a culture and politics gone mad and a fuzzy thinking that has become the norm for many. That he doesn’t realize that what the left was doing to Chickfila was just a taste of the PC orwellian future that awaits which has nothing at all to do with his gay friends. I have gay friends but I also know their histories which is why I will never support his idea of the gayutopian future because at its very core is a lie.
Here’s the same guy on Climate Change same leftists spew different issue. He’s not even a Rhino hes just a leftist.
The larger issue is that if the Progressive Fascists get away, you will be too afraid of having such a conversation lest it result in public condemnation, retaliation against your business and the like.
This really isn’t about gay marriage. That’s just the spark/catalyst. It’s really about the Left suppressing opinions they don’t happen to agree with.
Thank you for your eloquently-stated post and for your strong graps of basic and irrefutable logic.
I too feel sorry for the GOPer or for anyone who has somehow missed the actual hidden agenda of what flies under the radar as “Equality for Gays” but what is in fact about something far less just and far more destructive and pernicious.
I guess calling himself, “GOP Lifer” is either a joke or some sort of camouflage. He asserts that he is conservative but as you say is leftist 3x over. Thanks for linking.
Welcome. Sometimes I feel like I’m arguing with marshmellows or someone high on some kind of mushroom. Its like they are medicated with something that keeps them from seeing beyond the surface and their feelings.
My argument against gay marriage has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with survival of the species.
In a long ago undergrad anthropology class, we looked at beliefs held by different cultures and found that may of the beliefs and customs from the cultures were attributed to a deity by the culture, but were really quite practical for survival of the culture at the time and place of the social group. An example, not eating pork. Without modern cooking methods, pork was full of nasty things that could kill you. A ban on eating pork meant fewer people getting sick and dying and better survival of the species.
Now, looking at homosexual marriage (I refuse to ay gay because all of the homosexual I have know were not happy people, but were all suffering in some way). Marriage being between one man and one woman, or even one man and many women leads to babies and babies mean the species has a good chance of surviving, at least for one more generation. That’s why even the Greeks, who had a big thing for young boys, still married women to bear their children. That’s why marriage has always been between men and women, it is the only way to encourage reproduction and guarantee survival of the species.
Marriage between one man and one man or between one woman and one woman is like non-alcoholic beer. There’s a resemblance between the copy and the original, but only the original gets the job done.
And for those who will argue what about marriages with no chance of reproduction because of age of the woman or defect in one of the partners aren’t seeing the forest through the trees. The very act of encouraging men and women to marry and to have sexual relations benefits the entire culture, even if some of the members will not be able to reproduce.
So, encouraging a practice which has a negative effect on the chances of that culture’s continuation is just plain suicide for that culture (as is kill off the young of the species, but I’ve already pontificated enough for today).
>> He is buying into the whole ridiculous “gay rights = civil rights” argument
Forcing individuals to sanction and support homosexual behavior is not a “civil right” — it’s oppression.
Of course I agree.
Just wondering , though- how would you argue with, say, gay males who would assure you that they will still reproduce and pass on their sperm via surrogate mothers, as is now a new trend among them (Elton John being a famous example, but thousands of others are doing it as well). And lesbians who would tell you they will use sperm donors? (to me this is a whole new ethical problem which needs reigning in soon).
I know some countries have VERY STRICT prohibitions around reproductive technology, but the U.S. is not one of them.
Actually, that is not far from the truth: Media creates reality for millions of people. When you talk, they just sort of zone out, because they already “know” from MSM that gay marriage is “a very important civil rights issue”. I guess we are simply more grounded in reality. But it is frustrating as all hell to know you can preach only to your own choir.
They know it , too. But they will never admit it.
Unfortunately in DC these types of GOP are very common. Usually they are just unprincipled yuppies whose rich daddy may have been a Republican or or they became a Republican so that they could get the job. A lot of the crap we deal with in the grasroots is because of people this advising and working for our elected officials. I became a Republican during the 94 Republican Revolution. I did it because Republicans demonstrated principles social and fiscal. Too many of these types view politics and government as some damn game. I’m proud though that we at the grass roots are changing the game. It isn’t without its challenges or set backs but we are on the right path. We just need to keep standing up and push the line rather than just holding it.
Good one. :-)
thanks for that info. You come by conservatism honestly...and Agreed-
better to struggle for the right things at the grassroots level than go astray at the DC yuppified level. and yep, keep pushing.
Yes especially for the young and I actually remember being under their “spell”. I remember over hearing a couple older gentlemen talking about how they “missed when Reagan was in charge” this was around 1990. I remember laughing and thinking how that was ridiculous. I wasn’t really political and didn’t know much about Reagan beyond remembering when he was shot and remembering him speaking after the shuttle disaster but of course it wasn’t as much what I remembered but the overall media ridicule of Reagan which had sunk in. I didn’t change my mind because of talk Radio which was in its infancy then. I actually changed my mind when I started researching and studying and questioning why I thought certain things.
Some of the young people are like that but the ones in the heart of darkness have no incentive to change their minds. They are smart enough to know many of the beliefs they profess are foolish but long after they realize this they lve and work in worlds where continuing to profess thoses beliefs makes financial and career sense. Thankful much of the nutty leftist ideas get worked out of people’s system as they progress to adulthood and have to work, pay taxes, take care of children etc which is one of the reasons the left have so targetted making it easier for young adults to remain dependent on their parents which helps suspend their natural mental development and maturation.
We are at a cross roads if we dont halt the culteral slide the fiscal slide will exacerbate and the America we love will be gone forever.
They couldn’t “stop at civil unions”. The left wouldn’t let them, because that wouldn’t have achieved the goal of UNdefining marriage and of criminalizing Christianity.
So, the homos were told “nothing less than full equal legal and societal recognition of gay ‘marriage’ will be allowed”.
The author seems to think that polygamy is “wrong” and should not be considered a marriage.
What a closed-minded bigot!
Anything short of polygamous, inter-species, intergenerational marriage is a violation of civil rights!
Leftists shouldn’t attempt to refer to the bible, ever, to make their point,
because they always come off looking like such damn fools.
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