Posted on 08/03/2012 1:26:47 PM PDT by Bratch
Don’t buy the doom and gloom pronouncements from conservatives telling you, “this is the most important election in history.” A loss for Mitt Romney would not necessarily spell long lasting disaster for Republicans, nor would it be the death-knell to conservatism. In fact, it’s possible a 2012 loss could lay the groundwork for a stronger Republican party and conservative movement.
Elections are almost always seen as urgent and morally imperative. But sometimes major victories can only come in the aftermath of what appear to be devastating defeats. John Kerry‘s loss in 2004 laid the groundwork for a Democratic takeover in 2006 and 2008, and Jimmy Carter‘s defeat of Gerald Ford in 1976 paved the way for the Ronald Reagan in 1980. In other words, it is a mistake to assume losing a presidential election is a permanent defeat.
“This should be the most important election since 1980, but so far it is not,” says Reagan biographer Craig Shirley. “Scottish historian Thomas Carlyle postulated the ‘great man’ theory of history, and indeed this was true with Washington, Jackson, Lincoln, TR, FDR and Reagan. But history has not summoned forth great men in 2012 and in fact our history today is small.”
This is not to say Republicans should concede the election, but conservatives should keep November in proper perspective.
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What candidate? I never said anything pro-Romney. I'm just stating my belief of what a second Obama term would mean for America.
I don't know what kind of stupid in-fighting civil war you people have going on FR, but I'm not on either side, nor am I going to allow myself to become a part of it. It is a complete waste of time, considering that the real enemy is in the White House.
But it doesn't matter; what I think is what I think and I don't answer to you, nor do I have to defend anything I say to you.
And Romney will have Congress pass those same laws.
Our differences are not about Romney and Obama. Our differences are about what this election means.
The best analogy I can give you is a story about my Dad ( I know Dad isn't supposed to be capitalized in this use but I can't help it).
Anyway, when my Dad was 18 years old he was diagnosed with having a tumor on his brain. The doctors told him he had 6 months to live. They also told him they could try to remove it surgically but he would probably die in surgery as it was experimental at the time (1940). They gave him a 10% chance of survival and told him that even if he survived it would probably leave him paralyzed. He opted for the surgery anyway.
He, obviously, did survive and the surgery did leave him paralyzed on the left side of his body. He was hospitalized for months, but he worked at regaining the use of his body. This was before anyone had any idea of physical therapy, at least in the small Indiana town he lived in.
He continued to work on it and finally only his left arm was permanently paralyzed. He told me the worst moment of the entire time was when his mother refused to tie his shoes for him. He was heartbroken at her refusal but understood when he saw her standing in the kitchen crying. She knew that if she did it for him he would never be able to do it for himself.
Dad passed to join Mom in June of this year at 90 years old. He was the wisest most honest person I have ever known.
Anyway, back to the analogy, his choice back when he was 18 was certain death in 6 months or a tiny shot at life with probable difficulties. He chose the later.
I see our choice the same way. We can vote for certain death (Obama) or a tiny shot at saving our country with difficulties. Romney would be the paralysis that we would have to go to work on and try to erase. With the help of the Tea Party I think we could do that and learn to tie our own shoes.
Go ahead, elect Obama...that is your choice.
***Same bull shiite, over and over and over again.
And yes, the president does make judicial appointments. We all know who will be appointed next by Obama...
***All of Romnuts’s judicial appointees were leftists. This is somehow a positive in your viewpoint?
Kevmo:
In case you haven’t noticed, occasionally JimRob has zotted some freepers who have engaged in exactly the same kind of posting behavior that I’m calling out.”
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But I don’t understand why you are calling it out.
***I’m calling it out because it is zot worthy. Note that there are plenty of posts on this thread where the freeper basically says, “this is how I view the situation, I’ll be voting such & such way and the way others choose to vote is up to them”. That’s different than “anyone who doesn’t see that this is Adolf Hitler is just nuts”.
Please read my post #343.
I’ve read most of the posts and the only ones that seem to be over the top are the ones attacking those of us who say we will be voting for Romney.
***That’s because Romney is a lying, baby-killing statist. If you want to vote for such a librul, that’s your choice. But trying to get other conservatives to vote for such a POS is crossing the line, because this is a conservative forum not a republican one. Trying to separate conservatives from their conservative beliefs by voting for a librul is not conservative. Such non-conservative behavior deserves to be attacked.
I know it sounds like I have forgotten that and am giving up by voting for Romney
***That is precisely what it sounds like. You’re proceeding from fear rather than courage.
but nothing could be further from the truth.
***Didn’t you acknowledge upthread that 1)Romney is a librul and 2) that you’re proceeding from fear? So how is this so “further from the truth”?
I will not forget and I will start working to replace him as soon as he takes the oath of office.
***So your plan for 2016 is to unseat a republican president. Go ahead and tilt at that windmill.
I don’t want him to be President.
***Then don’t vote for him.
He is just a placeholder in order to get rid of Obama. Romney doesn’t have a lot of support so unless he does something spectacular I don’t think it will be that hard to replace him.
***Other than the fact that it’s never been done, this little fantasy is worthy of windmill chasing, Don Quixote.
The Tea Party has had great success getting rid of RINOS so why would Romney be any different?
***Because he would be a sitting republican president.
I understand that a lot of people here don’t see the danger I see. They see it as just another election. I see it as Germany voting for Hitler.
***Maybe the reason people don’t see the danger is because the danger is overblown by such fearmongering and proceeding from that fear in cowardice. Instead of embracing cowardice, embrace courage and proceed as if the thing you’re so afraid of isn’t the giant windmill you think it is.
You mean not wanting a second Obama term makes me not a conservative? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
***No, fear mongering was the subject, and your fear mongering is what makes you not a conservative. Proceeding from that fear in cowardice to try to get other conservatives to betray their conservative principles is not conservative. Free Republic is a conservative website, not a republican one.
Okay, I read the analogy.
A better analogy is that there are 2 cars getting ready to race. You are asked to join one of the 2 cars. One is a beat up Ford Pinto. The other is a SuperDuper Dragster. Both cars are facing a cliff.
You think it’s better to get into the Pinto because you’ll go over the cliff slower, and you can reason with the owner on the way down.
I think it’s better not to get into either car.
I'm not being swayed by fear-mongering. I made my decision based on the reality of Obama ignoring the rule of law. My decision was cemented by reading the book “The Communist”. It is about Obama’s mentor Frank Marshall Davis the ideological father of Obama if not the biological one.
Also, fear is not necessarily cowardice. Fear is a healthy thing. How you react to it may or may not be cowardly. I don't see voting for Romney out of fear of Obama as cowardice. I see it as reality.
“I think it’s better not to get into either car.”
If only we had that choice.
How you react to fear may or may not be cowardly. I don’t see voting for Romney out of fear of Obama as cowardice. I see it as reality.
***I see it as cowardice. I don’t take issue with such cowardice, because that is your own suffering choice. What I take issue with here on FR is the attempt to spread the cowardice.
I AM a conservative first, who happens to usually vote Republican, and I am proud of it. I am not trying to get people to “betray their principles” and “vote my way,” because as a REAL conservative, I respect other people’s rights and recognize that it’s none of my business. I was simply stating what I feel about the consequences of this election. A real conservative doesn’t resort to bullying, intimidation, and name-calling like you do...that’s the ugly stuff only a progressive soul can engage in and still sleep at night.
But it doesn’t matter, because I don’t have to prove anything to you, because I don’t answer to you. I don’t know why “whether or not I’m fear-mongering” is even an issue that you feel you need to make a case for...even if you prove that I AM “fear-mongering” beyond a shadow of a doubt (which is impossible to do, anyway), what have you accomplished? Is FR helped any? Is conservatism triumphing because of it? Please. All you can do because of this is pat yourself on the back and feel like good about yourself. (Even thought it never will satisfy that emptiness or anger inside). This infighting is not worth your time and effort...or mine. Good day.
If only we had that choice.
***We do. No one is forcing you to vote, nor pull any particular lever. It’s just me in that voting booth, and I have to live with my own choice.
A few years ago we had a go-round with a bunch of republicans who were badmouthing a conservative Tom McClintock in the California Guvnor recall race. They said Schwarzenegger was the only ‘realistic’ choice. Later on, a few of them posted their regrets in pushing for a non-conservative. Supporting the conservative is always the right thing to do when you are conservative. Yielding your principles out of cowardice does no one any good, especially yourself.
I see it as reality.
Reality poses itself in many differing versions amongst the human population. Thus arguring the differing versions is useless IMO.
even if you prove that I AM “fear-mongering” beyond a shadow of a doubt (which is impossible to do, anyway), what have you accomplished? Is FR helped any?
***Absolutely, if you stop doing it.
It is possible for conservatives in good faith to disagree about whether or not to vote for Romney. I do not plan to vote for him, but I respect the opinion of those who do.
And if I were a mod here, anyone who used an word ending in "-bot" to refer to another Freeper would immediately have their posting privileges revoked for a two week cool-off period.
We are already in the dragster. I will take the pinto which gives me a better chance of bailing out.
I understand what you are saying. When I saw that Romney was winning the primary I told my husband I would not vote for him. I, like you, saw it as giving into the GOP-E. I understand refusing to vote for him. I still considered myself a republican until Romney won the primary.
I will continue to register as a republican so I can vote in primaries but I no longer consider myself one and I have no illusions about Romney. He is a liberal Rino.
While Romney is a liberal, the evidence is too strong that Obama is a Communist. His mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, the family of Valerie Jarette, and the mentor of David Axelrod were all working together in Chicago back in the 1930’s. All were card carrying communists and busy organizing for the communist party. Their hero was Stalin. Do you think it was coincidental that the 3 of them met up in the White House in 2008? I don't.
You say I am cowardly. I say it takes bravery to seek the truth and base decisions on it. It is very hard to accept that there really is a Communist in the White House. It is very hard to accept that the people who worshiped Stalin, in spite of the millions he murdered, were the families and mentors of those who are in the position to cause terrible harm to the people of this country and the rest of the world including Israel.
You call it fear-mongering. I call it truth.
I agree with you for the most part.
I proposed to JimRob that he establish that line for the sake of peace on both sides. His response seems to be... zotting Rogue Yam. Maybe you can make sense of it where I cannot.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2905011/replies?c=403
To: wolfcreek
Nothing has changed about my principles, ethics, or my relationship with God but you sure couldn’t tell it from the way I’ve been treated here lately. Why?
***My guess is that JimRob doesn’t want to open another heart-wrenching bugzapper thread. So he allows the RINO squishes to bash conservatives.
If it were me, I’d post a boundary establishing thread that draws the line for both sides. If you have decided for yourself to vote for Romney, that’s your own choice that we disagree with. If you’ve decided to write in a conservative, that is also your own choice. Each Freeper makes their choice and the choice is respected
But if you try to separate conservatives from their conservative beliefs on this conservative website to get them to vote for a librul like Romney, you’re a librul and you’ve crossed the line. Similarly, if you call the Romney voters something like ‘squishes’ or ‘cowards’ or CINOs or ‘libruls’ then you have also crossed the line. Anyone who crosses the line gets one warning, then a timeout.
Seems like a simple way to keep the peace during such a troublesome time that the choice is 2 babykilling libtards.
368 posted on 07/11/2012 8:30:11 AM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It’s A Socon Site.)
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To: Kevmo
If it were me, I’d post a boundary establishing thread that draws the line for both sides. If you have decided for yourself to vote for Romney, that’s your own choice that we disagree with. If you’ve decided to write in a conservative, that is also your own choice. Each Freeper makes their choice and the choice is respected.
I called directly to the top for this several months ago, as soon as it became clear that Romney was pulling away with the nomination.
I was told pointedly that there would be absolutely no room on FR for those who thought supporting the GOP nominee was best for America.
Then there was the so-called “truce” that was utterly ill-formed and incoherent and failed to address any of the real issues at hand.
Now here we are, doing what we’re doing.
Oh, well. At least we’re making the DUmmies, the commies, Team Obama, the rent-seekers, the moochers, and the jihadis happy.
403 posted on 07/11/2012 11:08:13 AM PDT by rogue yam
To: rogue yam; Jim Robinson
Well, this is interesting. We’ve got a RINO squish agreeing with a hold-your-ground Conservative agreeing with eachother on how this situation should be handled on Free Republic.
540 posted on 07/11/2012 5:03:37 PM PDT by Kevmo ( FRINAGOPWIASS: Free Republic Is Not A GOP Website. It’s A Socon Site.)
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We are already in the dragster. I will take the pinto which gives me a better chance of bailing out.
***I see you prefer my analogy over your own. But we are not already in the dragster (side note: how can you bail out of the pinto if you’re already in the dragster?) — the election has not yet happened.
I understand what you are saying. When I saw that Romney was winning the primary I told my husband I would not vote for him. I, like you, saw it as giving into the GOP-E.
***It appears that you were not proceeding from fear back then.
I understand refusing to vote for him. I still considered myself a republican until Romney won the primary. I will continue to register as a republican so I can vote in primaries but I no longer consider myself one and I have no illusions about Romney. He is a liberal Rino.
***In this country you cast your vote FOR a person, not AGAINST a person. Voting FOR a librul RINO is not an option for me.
While Romney is a liberal, the evidence is too strong that Obama is a Communist.
***That doesn’t say much for Romney — “vote for me ‘cause I aint a commie”.
His mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, the family of Valerie Jarette, and the mentor of David Axelrod were all working together in Chicago back in the 1930’s. All were card carrying communists and busy organizing for the communist party. Their hero was Stalin.
***I will be voting against the commie pig. But the case for voting FOR the RINO Librul is less than compelling.
You say I am cowardly. I say it takes bravery to seek the truth and base decisions on it.
***I agree, but what you’ve been pushing here is hardly some new truth. I say that you are cowardly because you are proceeding from fear, basing your decisions on that fear. That’s pretty much the definition of cowardice.
It is very hard to accept that there really is a Communist in the White House. It is very hard to accept that the people who worshiped Stalin, in spite of the millions he murdered, were the families and mentors of those who are in the position to cause terrible harm to the people of this country and the rest of the world including Israel.
***The best disinfectant is sunlight. Romney only offers shade.
You call it fear-mongering. I call it truth.
***You’ve admitted that you’re proceeding from fear. That is fear mongering; that is truth.
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