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To: DiogenesLamp
You're on a roll Diogenes. You make some excellent cogent points above.



The 14th amendment does not create "natural citizens." The condition of being a "natural citizen" is not based on manmade laws, else it wouldn't be "natural." It is a condition that is inherent, much the same as a genetic child versus an adopted child.

As "natural citizens" existed prior to the 14th, what are we supposed to believe? That the 14th amendment somehow created "Extra-Natural" citizens?

The law once ruled that slaves were property and still rules that unborn children are.


:-)

215 posted on 08/01/2012 12:27:14 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel; DiogenesLamp
"You're on a roll Diogenes. You make some excellent cogent points above."

No doubt. Thanks for dropping in on this thread, DL.

Any logical discussion of what the Founders meant by Natural Born Citizen should start with the simple question: "What is the purpose of the NBC language in Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution?"

If the answer is "To ensure, to the greatest degree possible, the presumed undivided loyalty of one entrusted with the awesome power of the Executive" then the conclusion becomes as simple as it is inevitable: A NBC is a citizen born of parents who are also citizens.

Naturally.

217 posted on 08/01/2012 1:11:43 PM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If America were a car, the "Check President" light would be on.)
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To: Red Steel
You're on a roll Diogenes. You make some excellent cogent points above.

Thank you! I was actually rather proud of a few of my turns of phrase. As Mark Twain said, "The difference between the almost right word and the right word is really a large matter - it's the difference between the lightning bug and the lightning."

I keep thinking that if the concept is expressed simply enough, people will go "Ah!" And a light bulb will come on.

269 posted on 08/01/2012 3:54:26 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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