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Going Postal, Pre-Pistol How did mass murderers operate before the advent of modern weapons?
slate.com ^ | 26 July, 2012 | Brian Palmer

Posted on 07/28/2012 2:49:36 PM PDT by marktwain

The shooting spree that killed 12 people in an Aurora, Colo., movie theater on Friday has sparked a public debate about the availability of automatic weapons. Gun control advocates argue that mass murder is exceedingly difficult without them. One source told the Washington Post, “It’s kind of hard to be a pseudo-commando with a musket in the 18th century.” How did people commit mass murder before the advent of automatic weapons?

Often with fire. Revolutionary War veteran Barnett Davenport is widely considered the first mass murderer in U.S. history. On the evening of Feb. 3, 1780, Davenport burst into the bedroom of his employer, Caleb Mallory, and began to bludgeon Mallory and his wife with a club. When the club broke in two, Davenport beat the couple to death with Mallory’s gun. If Davenport had stopped there, he would be remembered as just an ordinary killer; most criminologists define mass murder as the killing of at least three people in a single incident. After beating the Mallorys to death, however, Davenport burned the house down, killing their three grandchildren.

Hundreds of other mass murderers have perpetrated their crimes without automatic firearms. Frenchman Pierre Riviere killed his mother, sister, and brother with a bill hook in 1835. In 1932, Julian Marcelino, a Filipino immigrant of relatively small stature, managed to kill six and wound 15 on a Seattle street using only a pair of blades. In 1915, Monroe Phillips shot seven dead and wounded 32 with a shotgun in Georgia.

Guns aren’t even the most lethal mass murder weapon. According to data compiled by Grant Duwe of the Minnesota Department of Corrections, guns killed an average of 4.92 victims per mass murder in the United States during the 20th century, just edging out knives, blunt objects, and bare hands, which killed

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Good information for the "gun control" debate.
1 posted on 07/28/2012 2:49:40 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Jihadists are doing it with bombs.

Holmes was prepared to do it with bombs too.


2 posted on 07/28/2012 2:51:19 PM PDT by marron
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To: marron

Apparently fertilizer works pretty well too...


3 posted on 07/28/2012 2:56:19 PM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: marron
Pretty clear Holmes was trapped in one of the video game industries most famous meme sets:

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Narrator: In A.D. 2101, war was beginning.

Captain: What happen ?

Mechanic: Somebody set up us the bomb.

(spoken in the Flash animation as Someone set up us the bomb)

Operator: We get signal.

Captain: What !

Operator: Main screen turn on.

Captain: It's you !!

CATS: How are you gentlemen !!

CATS: All your base are belong to us.

CATS: You are on the way to destruction.

Captain: What you say !!

4 posted on 07/28/2012 2:58:05 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: C210N

If Andrew Kehoe hadn’t had access to dynamite, he would have used fertilizer and no one batted an eye when he bought it because he was a farmer.


5 posted on 07/28/2012 3:00:32 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: marron
BTW, Holmes was actually a mad bomber. His bomb could have killed hundreds of people ~ mostly by fire.

We must never forget that, and don't give him credit for not succeeding in the full scope of his attempt. That'd be like letting the JIhadis off the hook because they only killed 3,000+ Rather than the 100,000+ they intended.

This guy is one bad dude.

6 posted on 07/28/2012 3:02:32 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: marktwain

Bombs, fire, disease, stampedes, avalanches, poison, starvation, wars, ship sinkings, explosives...anything they would use nowadays other than modern weapons.


7 posted on 07/28/2012 3:03:47 PM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: marktwain

They siezed or burned crops. They dragged people out of their homes and marched them to death. They burned their homes in the dead of winter. Modern variations on the theme persist.


8 posted on 07/28/2012 3:06:04 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: marktwain

Politics.


9 posted on 07/28/2012 3:06:51 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: C210N

Guy Fawkes used barrels of gunpowder placed under Westminster. Before that, you pretty much had to have an army of your own.


10 posted on 07/28/2012 3:08:10 PM PDT by jmcenanly ("The more corrupt the state, the more laws." Tacitus, Publius Cornelius)
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To: marron

I read somewhere that most of the casualties were from Holme’s shotgun and not the AR-15 which jammed. Cannot find the link now.
Certainly if this was true the media would love to suppress this information as it doesn’t fit into the “Assault Rifle” meme.


11 posted on 07/28/2012 3:08:27 PM PDT by vlad335
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To: marktwain

The Happy Land Social Club arson killed 87 people in The Bronx on March 25, 1990.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Land_fire
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12 posted on 07/28/2012 3:08:56 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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Bath School Disaster - 1927

The Bath School disaster is the name given to three bombings in Bath Township, Michigan, on May 18, 1927, which killed 38 elementary school children, two teachers, four other adults and the bomber himself; at least 58 people were injured. Most of the victims were children in the second to sixth grades (7–14 years of age [1]) attending the Bath Consolidated School. Their deaths constitute the deadliest mass murder in a school in U.S. history.

Source: http://tinyurl.com/p28mb

Branch Davidian Slaughter - Waco Texas

In 1993 The ATF slaughtered seventy-six people including more than 20 children, two pregnant women and their unborn children. They used M1 Abrams tanks, Bradley fightiing vehicles and unknown (to us) military ordinance to destroy and burn the compound sending 76 people to a horrible death.


13 posted on 07/28/2012 3:10:05 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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(1986) Man with sword kills 2, wounds 12 on NY Staten Island Ferry

Biggest mass murder in NYC history before 9/11 performed with gasoline bomb

14 posted on 07/28/2012 3:11:28 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: marktwain

Most of this was done with machetes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide


15 posted on 07/28/2012 3:13:11 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: marktwain

Interesting info on mass killings.k


16 posted on 07/28/2012 3:14:11 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (Yes, Obama, I had help with my business. MY CUSTOMERS!!)
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To: Izzy Dunne
“Politics.”

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An absolute fact, Politicians have killed more people than any single thing on the planet other than maybe disease or natural disasters. While they may not have pulled the trigger or lit the fuse they are the direct cause, and you NEVER see one of FKRS on the front line. Just my opinion you understand.

17 posted on 07/28/2012 3:17:01 PM PDT by mongo141 (Revolution ver. 2.0, just a matter of when, not a matter of if!)
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To: marktwain
Lizzy Borden took an ax

and gave her father 50 wacks

when she saw what she had done

she gave her mother 51.

Killers always find a way to kill.

18 posted on 07/28/2012 3:19:35 PM PDT by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: marktwain

History is chock full of mass murders before and without firearms.

What it isn’t full of are example of weaker individuals successfully defending themselves before firearms.


19 posted on 07/28/2012 3:26:33 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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Lizzy Borden took an ax and gave her father 50 wacks

The key here is not that she had an axe, but that she had an axe and they didn't.

20 posted on 07/28/2012 3:30:35 PM PDT by marron
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