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To: Cronos; markomalley
Then you'd be uniquely exceptional. Most people wouldn't starve or lose their job and possessions over an unknown, unborn baby. I'd be curious if your hypothetical had ever occurred in American politics. The combination seems quite rare.

My point is that the vast majority of the electorate is consistent with God's advice in the Ten Commandments. That is they are jealous, envious, weak, etc. They worship a god of their own making. Realpolitik needs to address the economic concerns of the population.

A winning economic policy is an entre into a social policy consistent with conservative goals, although I don't think we'll ever see a full out ban on abortions. On a full belly the American people will move strongly toward the Constitution. We need to get the incentives right.

46 posted on 07/26/2012 4:46:24 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD; Cronos

” Most people wouldn’t starve or lose their job and possessions over an unknown, unborn baby.”

If you look at things on a macro level, the loss of 55+ million babies over the past 40 years has had a tremendous impact on our society.

For example:

When larger families were the norm rather than the exception, as is the case in this post Griswold, post Roe world, the care of the elderly could relatively easily be accomplished by the elderly people’s adult children. Now, rather than the expenses, both in time and in dollars, must be borne by one or two kids. That’s a whole lot different.

The cultural attitude from parents to children also has changed. Again, with fewer kids, parents are free to obsess over their one or two offspring. All of their dreams and hopes are embodied in that kid. What happens? The kid is materially spoiled and never has to share with anybody...the kid is pressured to be perfect...constant structured activity leading to obsessiveness. The kid must be a success because otherwise the parent is a failure. No second, third, our fourth chance to get it right.

And then we can look at the loss of bodies for the labor pool. We don’t have enough people, and those that we have are self serving as a norm. The result: we import aliens to do the shut work for slave wages.

While the loss of one child to abortion may not have a huge impact on society, if you look at it on the macro scale, that has done more to ruin our society than anything else. And yes, I would include, in many cases, jobs and possessions


47 posted on 07/26/2012 5:16:51 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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To: 1010RD; Cronos

” Most people wouldn’t starve or lose their job and possessions over an unknown, unborn baby.”

If you look at things on a macro level, the loss of 55+ million babies over the past 40 years has had a tremendous impact on our society.

For example:

When larger families were the norm rather than the exception, as is the case in this post Griswold, post Roe world, the care of the elderly could relatively easily be accomplished by the elderly people’s adult children. Now, rather than the expenses, both in time and in dollars, must be borne by one or two kids. That’s a whole lot different.

The cultural attitude from parents to children also has changed. Again, with fewer kids, parents are free to obsess over their one or two offspring. All of their dreams and hopes are embodied in that kid. What happens? The kid is materially spoiled and never has to share with anybody...the kid is pressured to be perfect...constant structured activity leading to obsessiveness. The kid must be a success because otherwise the parent is a failure. No second, third, our fourth chance to get it right.

And then we can look at the loss of bodies for the labor pool. We don’t have enough people, and those that we have are self serving as a norm. The result: we import aliens to do the shut work for slave wages.

While the loss of one child to abortion may not have a huge impact on society, if you look at it on the macro scale, that has done more to ruin our society than anything else. And yes, I would include, in many cases, jobs and possessions


48 posted on 07/26/2012 5:17:07 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good-Pope Leo XIII)
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To: 1010RD
well, I don't know of this ever occuring

I'd like to believe I'd sacrifice all of that for my moral stand against baby-killing, but I've not been put in that position to say that "that's what I did".

49 posted on 07/26/2012 6:09:43 AM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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