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To: brent13a
If I’m out doing knock & talks, canvassing a neighborhood for whatever reason, and someone answers the door with a gun pointed at me I’m going to draw down and defend myself.

Are you crazy?

If you encounter a hostile homeowner, surrendering is far safer than drawing a gun. Apologize for bothering the homeowner, and leave. Drawing down would only benefit you in the very unlikely event that the homeowner would shoot you if you tried to surrender, but--despite their having the drop on you and wanting to shoot you--you can manage to draw and shoot before they can shoot you. Drawing down would get you needlessly killed in the far more likely scenario where the homeowner would quite reasonably react to such a gesture by shooting you, but would have been more than happy to let you leave had you simply revealed your identity and the reason for your visit. Of course, drawing down also has other risks, like being prosecuted for murdering a perfectly innocent homeowner and getting a jury who recognize that an action cannot be legitimately claimed as "self-defense" absent a reasonable belief that the action would in fact make the actor vastly safer than he would be without it. And in the scenario you describe, I see no basis for such belief.

30 posted on 07/18/2012 4:33:19 PM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: supercat
Are you crazy?

I would assume then, that you're a fan of having police shot first before they can then defend themselves.

...surrender....surrender.....

Homeboy, please. I don't surrender, I wouldn't surrender. I didn't surrender in the Marine Infantry and I'm not going to surrender to some lipshitz who is stupid enough to answer his door with a gun aimed in at me for no reason.
I would say it's pretty obvious you have never been in the military nor law enforcement nor have ever had a real deep understanding conversation with anyone in either. Because with those kinds of SOP's you'd be real dead real quick.

How ridiculous of a mindset.

There is no law saying police, when investigating a crime can't go onto private property. In fact, here in IL, there is law specifically stating that police can go onto private property while investigating a crime. For instance, knocking on doors to talk to people about that crime. We need warrants to enter private property. So under the law I can walk onto your porch and knock on your door to make contact with you but I can't just walk inside.

Answering your front door with your gun aimed in on the person standing in front of you, either maliciously or out of stupidity is just bad judgement and bad gun ownership, and now there is definitive proof it'll get you dead.
31 posted on 07/19/2012 2:17:27 PM PDT by brent13a (Glenn Beck is an a$$hat.)
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