Posted on 07/17/2012 11:55:45 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
Mu:
Like you, I joined FR in 1998, just a few short months after JimRob.
Previous to that I never bounced to any of the standard leftie websites(TableTalk, Salon.com) but in the 2000 election, FR was inundated by republicans. Not necessarily conservatives, but republicans.
What does that mean to me today?
It means this:
I believe that over the long years, various leftists have planted themselves in FR with the intention of being useful to various leftist causes without outing themselves.
We had the tootyfruityrudy bugzapper thread where about 20 of them outed themselves in freepercides. But there were hundreds of these guys, we only scratched the surface. At the time, if they didn’t necessarily support tootyfruity rudy, they stayed.
The perfect leftist cause has now presented itself: the re-election of Barack Obama. And the perfect “cover” is now in place: the attacks on conservatives as being stupid for hanging onto their principles, rather than going after Obots and converting them to Mittbots.
I don’t know who is a sleeper leftist on FR and who isn’t but based on the simple behavior generated wherein they try to separate conservatives from their conservative beliefs, I would say that there are definitely SOME sleepers here in FR pushing Romney in an attempt to sow division among conservatives.
Again, I have no idea who is or isn’t a closet sleeper but I know there are at least some sleepers here.
There have to be.
For every “vote that isn’t for Romney is for Obama” post that you read, you have to judge for yourself whether it’s worth arguing about.
For one thing, you might be arguing with a good republican who just, as a matter of laziness, cannot try to convert Obots under any circumstances. Even though I think their reasoning is flawed (this is an idealogical battlefield, not a university debating society), I respect their feelings and I respect their emotions.
On the other hand, you might be arguing with a dedicated leftist out to deliver the coup de grace on conservatism.
I just think that’s worth keeping in mind.
floating to the surface of this bog.
***Free Republic is not a bog. ;-)
All I know is I’m dedicating myself this election cycle to the removal of the usurper from the white house.
Nothing else matters to me, not winning arguments on FR, not anything.
Go ahead, win the argument. You’re the winner. I stipulate you are the winner of this discussion.
But I repeat, for the sake of anyone who is interested, that I personally am dedicating myself this election cycle to the removal of the usurper from the white house.
Period.
End of story.
That’s all I care about.
The rest of you can go wallow in your ideological purity and I stipulate that you are all better than I am, but I don’t care. I’m going to dedicate myself to the unelection of Barack “The Usurper” Obama from his position as Faux President of the United States.
They actually had get togethers just like Freepers in the days of the Rushrooms.
I developed LEFTWINGTARDAR ~ similar to Gaydar but we don't check out their privates ~ not even on a bet!
We do have some drifting in and out of the threads on Romney but they seem to leave just as soon as one of the Temple Work guys shows up. I do believe Leftists can't stand Mormons.
It's probably worth working over the Leftwingtards to vote for someone else. They don't seem all that happy with Obama, and Romney strikes them as more of the same. I do believe For Real Conservatives have the same problem with these two as the lefties ~ neither one of them lives up to their billing.
I want to see Obama's school records, and I want to see Romney's tax filings. Frankly I'm most concerned with the possibility that he's not as rich as he says he is and can be successfully bribed by foreign powers ~
However, it is your perfect world, Lord Farquar, and you can tell your subjects whatever you wish.
You know the rules: Put up or shut up, LOL.
“I, __________________, declare that I have decided that conservatism has failed and as such, I will vote for the Republican Mitt Romney, A man whose history I am aware of regarding his liberalism. It is with open eyes and no regrets that I will disavow everything I believe conservative ideals and the American Constitution ever stood for just to get Obama out of office.
Further, by doing so, I accept that I adopted the very things I formerly despised to get a liberal elected President and henceforth I have no legitimate right to ever be trustworthy again - since my newly adopted situational ethics allow me to bend like a twig in the prevailing political winds.
Signed, _____________________________
You should really try growing up. You might be amazed what the world looks like when your spine stiffens and pulls your head out of your posterior!
Sam the Man says we won the argument. Maybe we developed your LeftWingtardar a bit further today.
I shouldn’t be surprised that anyone willing to abandon their beliefs to rally for a liberal wouldn’t put his name on what he’s doing.
Tell me which part was incorrect rather than resorting to 3rd grade taunts and someone out there might think better of you. Until then, you look pretty weak. But I repeat myself...any ‘conservative throwing his country away to vote for a liberal is pretty weak.
You are painfully naive if you believe that. Romney is whatever he has to be to get elected.
Romney will not defund Planned Parenthood. He will not make the nominations necessary to the Supreme Court that will provide a majority to overturn Roe.
Charlie Brown. Lucy. The Football. And, you're Charlie Brown.
'Ideological Purity'... A republican buzz word (phrase).
As a Conservative, you should know how stupid the concept is. It is not bout 'ideological purity' at all, with the tangential exception that the closer we get to Conservatism, the more likely it is to get all the Conservative factions to turn out.
You may not care enough about Pro-Life issues for it to stop you from your ABO course - But I will guarantee that millions (and I mean millions) of average Christians will. And they will care about the sanctity of marriage. It is your hope that all those millions of Christians will set aside their immovable 'first things', and you are doing your part to make it happen, But I will guarantee you, they will *not*... Not just 'no', but 'oh hell, no!'
And without those Christians, Romney will not succeed. Period. So all of this hen-house bickering will amount to naught. His campaign is doomed.
One can tick your way down the list of immovable 'first things' if you'd like. You will find that to vote for Romney, Every_single_Conservative_principle must be set aside. That means the entire base has to set aside everything they believe in to vote for this POS.
That simply is not going to happen.
Hard to believe for you, I am sure, what with your Republican Beer Goggles on and all, but that is the truth of it. Watch and see.
Where the 'purity' argument DOES apply is in this: If the Rock-Ribbed Conservatives here can be convinced, that bodes well for the candidate, as true Conservatives represent the ideology of all of the factions together - If They like him, it is likely that all the factions will like him too.
As for me, to say I remain unconvinced is putting it in as mild a terminology as is possible.
re: ‘idealogical purity’
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I’m a big tent republican.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1821435/posts?page=18455
Here’s an analogy to work with. Take a small box and fill it with some rocks. Then add some rice, filling it to the top. Now take all the same stuff, but in a different order. Put in the rice first, then add the rocks. What you’ll find is that if you put in the big stuff first, the small stuff will fit around it. But if you put in the small stuff first, the big stuff won’t have room. The republican tent is the box. The Big issues are the socon issues, to be put in first. The little issues are things that can be accommodated around the bigger stuff. A candidate who tries to focus on the smaller issues first and leave out the bigger issues has no way of getting all of us into the tent. He splits the party. The candidate who gets the big stuff right and as much of the little stuff that will fit, he can fit more into the tent. We’re often amazed at how much rice can keep fitting in. Folks such as Rudy or Romney flunk some of the big issues, and on some of the little issues it looks to me like anyone else’s rice would do just as well. All that remains for us to agree on is which are the bedrock principles and which are not. Why would there be so much invective aimed at rudy or romney from the right? Because there are some bedrock principles that he is leaving out. Bad move. I see rudybot and romneybot postings all the time saying that they would vote for Hunter or Palin, and I see socon postings that say they would not vote for rudy or romney. That’s a BIG indicator of a few bedrock principles that are being left outside the tent in order to let in some rice.
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If you think something is important enough to trash your friends of many years standing then go convert an Obot to a Mittbot.
***The fact that someone prefers to do one thing over the other shows their true motives.
In so doing, how much damage is done to conservatism? Maybe, in all the conservative-bashing, you’ll get 1 or 2 to vote for Romnuts. But in all that time you would be berating, ridiculing, trashing about 100X more conservatives. You would have caused far more damage than was worth it. Just what Obama and the GOP-E wanted.
Yup
You know the rules: Put up or shut up, LOL.
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OK.
Here’s the FR posting ...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2908219/posts?page=27
... of the following article ...
... which says ...
Adding to tensions is the feeling that Romney sat back during the Republican primaries and watched the Tea Party candidates tear each other apart before jumping in at the end.
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Who says the above is necessarily true though?
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