Posted on 07/16/2012 10:19:41 AM PDT by GregB
Some states toss write-in ballots as “spoiled”. You should probably check first.
>>That is reality, not a silly alternate universe.
***What you proposed was a silly hypothetical.<<
It isn’t a hypothetical — it is a model. My example is 100% accurate in its model of reality.
We have obama and Romney and that is it — your vote for a 3rd party is a vote for obama. My model merely makes the numbers manageable. The underlying axiom is 100% accurate.
That is reality.
>>Okay, I get the math part. I get it. But, now a (plausible) hypothetical.
Florida
500 - “principled” conservatives vote for third candidate
400 - Obama’s winning margin on election night
Math says?<<
You will NOT get a straight answer. Instead you will get the same stupid sophistry I have been getting from the same old obama supporters on this and other threads.
Math is fuzzy in their universe I guess (actually it is just a temper tantrum since reality didn’t reflect their desired outcome).
A vote for anybody other than Romney is a vote for Obama. It is an undisputed fact of political life.
***I dispute that as a fact. JimRob disputes it, or he wouldn’t be saying so many times that he refuses to vote for a lying librul baby-killing statist.
The "temper tantrum" is all in your own insistence on demonizing those of us who won't vote the way you want. The mathematical fact remains: a third party vote favors neither Obama nor Romney in the end count, but more important, the goal with a third-party vote is to DENY THE WINNER A POPULAR MANDATE. You are stuck on a one-note samba of ABO, which has given you tunnel vision.
My example is 100% accurate in its model of reality.
***Then you’re an idiot, because the end result is a tie in your model.
your vote for a 3rd party is a vote for obama.
***I’m not voting for a 3rd party, I’m voting for a republican.
My model merely makes the numbers manageable. The underlying axiom is 100% accurate.
***Your underlying axiom doesn’t include the reason we’re here like this in the first place — Romnuts and the R party thinks he can win this election without conservatives, ignoring their desires. So why don’t the Romney Rump Rangers follow his lead and chase after those RINO squishes that are supposed to be there for him? And why don’t the RRR crowd stop berating conservatives for their conservative beliefs on this conservative forum? Because you’re librul. What you’re doing is librul. You’re promoting a librul candidate. You’re libruls.
Yeah, I guess that 12% of the vote Ross Perot garnered in 1992 didn’t affect GHW Bush after all!
From someone who lies to demonize those who don't agree with him!
You're a pussy, Dumb.
>>Your underlying axiom doesn’t include the reason we’re here like this in the first place — Romnuts and the R party thinks he can win this election without conservatives, ignoring their desires.<<
And that is the crux. You lost, we lost.
We now have to make the best of a bad situation.
Throwing a tantrum accomplishes noting.
I am AGAINST obama — he is worse than Romney. If you want to “punish” the GOP by voting obama in, at least be honest.
>>From someone who lies to demonize those who don’t agree with him!
You’re a pussy, Dumb.<<
It is you who is the liar and the little crying baby.
You won’t face up to the simple fact you leep repeating the same lie over and over and hope, like you and your liberal friends, that it will become true if you repeat it enough.
A vote for 3rd part is a vote for obama. The math is there for educated people to see.
You twisted sophistry doesn’t change facts at all.
We now have to make the best of a bad situation.
***Then go after all those RINO squishes that Romnuts considers so valuable rather than sowing discord among conservatives. That is the common ground.
What you are doing, right here and right now, is not conservative.
ABO is an affliction of both heart and mind. :^(
I'll look forward to seeing you post your local vote tally that includes an "against Obama" count. You're voting for Romney, that's how it goes in the books. Why ABOs are so reluctant to state that is beyond me ... wait, no it isn't.
As for the rest of your comment, the day you have to prove your conservatism by voting for a liberal is the day 1984 comes to Free Republic. A third-party vote is a third party vote. No more and certainly no less.
>>What about the third party vote from the Democrat that gets Romney elected in the electoral count?<<
Ask Bush the Sr and Clinton (think Perot voters, idiot).
You are dumber than dirt — enjoy your support of the obama: your kind of guy (he is dumber than dirt as well).
But as long as you keep repeating your lie all over FR, I’ll be there to correct you.
>>What you are doing, right here and right now, is not conservative.<<
Voting for obama because you didn’t get your candidate is not conservative. Whiny baby. An obama win is on you.
You may intend it as a vote "against" Obama, but it will most assurely be a vote FOR Romney.
Sad to say that voting "against" is a popular sophistry. There is no voting "against" in elections; you can only vote FOR something to replace what you want to vote "against." You don't even vote "against" a ballot proposition -- you can only vote FOR nixing it. It's a fine point, but a crucial one in understanding the price of ABO.
It is a hard reality that a lot of ABOers may wake up to with a nasty nightmare jolt come 2014 when it's not "about" Obama anymore, but only about Romney and how conservatives are the minority in an administration where moderate Republicans, the White House, and Democrats "unite" to advance a "progressive" agenda.
I'm voting the only way that makes sense in an O v R contest: third party in order to deny a popular mandate to whichever guy wins. The only leg-up conservatives in Congress can have for fighting the next next president, who is guaranteed to want to advance government tyranny, will be having the numbers to back them up in moving against a president who lacks a popular mandate, a president whom the majority of Americans rejected at the ballot box.
I dont care- we either get Obama, or Obama-lite
As long as we have a GOP Congress it does not matter
in fact I would love to see a veto-proof majority cram Obamacare back down his throat
Unless Romney grows a pair between now and election
Speak for yourself, Foot. Cause you ain’t speaking for me.
Kevmo>>What you are doing, right here and right now, is not conservative.<<
Dumb: Voting for obama because you didn’t get your candidate is not conservative. Whiny baby. An obama win is on you.
***Denigrating conservatives — how is that conservative? Telling conservatives that they’re “voting for obama” How is that conservative? A vote for Romney is a vote for Romney. A vote for Obama is a vote for Obama. A vote for anyone but Obama is not a vote for Obama. A vote for obama or Romnuts is a vote for a librul statist.
If you’re so convinced that what you’re doing here, and how you’re doing it is SO conservative, why don’t you post your shlug to JimRob? He’s refusing to vote for a lying, baby-killing statist. Is he a “whiny baby”, Obama voter? And if not, why not? Mainly it’s because he has authority and the rest of us conservatives don’t, which makes you a bootlicker, not just a CINO.
If Obama wins, the regime, together with their supporters in the media will hype it as a mandate, even if its a razor thin margin in both the general election and the EC, so your rationalizing your third party protest vote as denying either side a mandate doesn’t matter.
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