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To: Forty-Niner
Putting aside the insults, Justice Horace Gray agrees with me. That is why when he wrote the opinion in US v Wong Kim Ark, he cited the above cases. Please cite one (1) SCOTUS case that cites de Vattel.
81 posted on 07/16/2012 1:46:14 PM PDT by Perdogg (Let's leave reading things in the Constitution that aren't there to liberals and Dems)
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To: Perdogg

“Please cite one (1) SCOTUS case that cites de Vattel...”

Easy....Minor uses Vittel’s definition almost word for word.....no surprise there, as his book “Natural Law, The Law of Nations” was used as a text in law schools up until the end of the 19th century....small point, but I didn’t bring up Vittel, although he was a 18th century western jurist.....

WKA provides “born” citizenship status for people that were born in the US to legally residing non citizen parents other than the originally intended children of slaves. To say that WKA changed the definition of NBC as understood by the Framers is absurd. NBC status was not an issue in the case, Wong wasn’t running for President.... the only place in US Law that such status matters.

The WKA decision used the 14th Amendment to partially answer the question left open in Minor.....”who else (besides NBCs) shall be citizens?” The whole case of WKA revolves around “born” citizenship (no need to naturalize), not WKA’s inclusion in the subset of Natural Born Citizenship. Additionally, besides the 14th Amendment, the tradition of jus solis was used to justify the decision for WKA as being a born citizen.

Insults????? Noting demostrated lack of reading comprehension skills is an obervation....not an insult.

Citing links that intentially misquote source documents is a blantant attempt to deceive. Now that’s insulting!!!!

BTW a fair reading of Justice Gray does not support your position, unless you insist on adding a few words here and there.....or quoting people that do.....Justice Gray never declared WKA a NBC, that status was not an issue in the case.

He did however, and I think this is where you and others go astray, say that WKA’s citizenship was AS IF he had been an NBC, thereby avoiding leaving the impression of the decision creating a 2nd class of citizenship. In the US, all citizens, whether born or naturalized are equal in their rights and responsibilities. AS IF doesn’t mean is....


84 posted on 07/16/2012 3:03:34 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: Perdogg

You mean the citations of Minor v Happersett that Justia removed from their pages in the past couple years when the NBC issue was raging?


89 posted on 07/16/2012 3:35:05 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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