[crz]

That should be AZdaileySun.

[Tupelo]

Now there is an initiative I can and will vote for IF it makes it to the ballot.
My guess is the Republican majority state legislature and Lil Jan will find a way to keep it off.

[newgeezer]

Good luck with that.

[tom paine 2]

Let the revolution begin!

[crz]

Thanks to the mod for the edit. I do not post much here.

Anyway, AZ does not seem to scared of the Obamanites.
Just wish more states would lead, follow, or get the hell out of the way! This state has taken the brunt end of the Obamanite agenda.

[ConradofMontferrat]

Once upon a time, we had a check on the fedgov. It was called the U.S. Senate.

The Senate was set up to protect the states from the rabble known to populate the house and WH. Senators were elected by the state congresses and ratified by the state’s governor.

The progressives pushed, shoved and lied and got the 17th amendment passed which essentially made the Senate nothing more than the house, on steroids and just more rabble.

Repeal the 17th amendment and watch the likes of Chucky Schmucky Chumer go the way of the dinosaur.

[RIghtwardHo]

Oh please. Supremacy clause trumps. Unconstitutional on its face.

[rfreedom4u]

it would add language saying that federal document may not be violated by any government — including the federal government.

Since the Fed is already violating the Constitution what makes anyone think it will obey this?

[newgeezer]

Let’s say this actually passes. What then? Is it civil war? Do federal troops invade Arizona? No need.

The Treasury Department can just stop sending checks to Arizona. Then, it’s game over. Just imagine thousands of Arizona entitlement recipients marching on the state capitol with pitchforks and torches (and scooters and canes).

And there’s no state in the union where that tactic wouldn’t work to squash any “states rights” uprising. Just look at the way every last one of them bows to DC to keep from losing any federal highway funding.

[Freedom_Is_Not_Free]

Soon to be struck down by Roberts as unconstitutional.

[Let_It_Be_So]

I’m certainly not a constitutional scholar, so there may be plenty of reasons why I’m off base. However, from a layman’s perspective, it seems that a single state has little power over the federal government.

Let’s say the Arizona constitution is modified to basically say that Arizona will take it upon themselves to handle whatever duty the federal government is constitutionally required to do but refuses to do. Further, let’s say Arizona will take it upon themselves to adjudicate the immigration status of illegal aliens and deport any who are here illegally, effectively bypassing INS altogether.

The feds then sue Arizona in federal court and win the case with the result being a federal court order to “cease and desist”. Perhaps it goes on to the USSC and the Supremes side with the lower courts.

If Arizona says, well we’re going to do it anyway, so stop us if you can. Then what? We would probably be looking at federalizing of the state national guard (as was done by Eisenhower in the Little Rock case back in 1957), basically pitting the federal troops against whoever is left that would make up a “state militia”.

If it didn’t go that far, it could simply result in the federal government withholding any and all federal funds going to Arizona (eg highway funds, medicaid matching funds, education funding, food assistance to the needy, HUD funding, unemployment funding, etc, etc. Okay, even if the citizens of Arizona would put up with that and fund everything with no federal funds, their state income, sales and property taxes would likely go up significantly to make up at least part of the difference.

Bottom line is that it seems that the federal government has a lot of arrows in their quiver should it come down to a showdown between them and a single state.

And this from a state who keeps sending McCain to represent them in the Senate. Wow. Something doesn’t compute here.

[NilesJo]

Sadly, so much of the population of this country has been mal-educated by a public school system with curricula controlled by socialists and the NEA that most know little about the principles on which the country was formed or how badly we have strayed from the written constitution - Chief Justice Roberts being only the most recent example of personal politics over constitutional principle.

With the national propaganda machine controlled by the federal government, the ability of a state like Arizona to get its message out to those who understand how a federal system is supposed to work, is extremely limited. Because the critical resources (internet, banking system, military, justice system, border patrol, etc) are in the hands off the feds, Arizona will be at a great disadvantage in any kind of stand-off. Needless to say I wouldn't be surprised to see Obama turn a blind eye to any incursions from another Arizona antagonist - the Mexican army.

I am very sympathetic to Arizona but got to face reality.