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Financial Giants Are Moving Jobs Off Wall Street [moving to lower tax locations]
New York Times ^ | 01 July 2012 | Nelson D Schartz

Posted on 07/02/2012 3:38:41 PM PDT by Lorianne

New York’s biggest investment houses are shifting jobs out of the area and expanding in cheaper locales in the United States, threatening the vast middle tier of positions that form the backbone of employment on Wall Street.

The shift comes even as banks consider deeper staff cuts here, which could undermine the state and city tax base long term.

“Places like New York or London will remain financial centers, but most of the players are taking a much harder look and asking whether they can move large numbers of jobs,” said James Malick, a partner at the Boston Consulting Group who advises banks on relocation. In addition to higher taxes in the New York region, employers face real estate and labor costs significantly above the national average

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; US: New York
KEYWORDS: tax

1 posted on 07/02/2012 3:38:50 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

The taxes in India are a lot lower....


2 posted on 07/02/2012 3:42:35 PM PDT by henkster (Why should I care? Why should I care?)
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To: Lorianne

Goodbye NYC. New York is about to go the way of California.


3 posted on 07/02/2012 3:42:45 PM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: Lorianne
One hasn't needed to be there to do it there in a very long time.

I don't really know why most retain a presence there anyway.

4 posted on 07/02/2012 3:42:48 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Lorianne
Wall St. has been something like 50% condominiums for years. FiDi, they call it.

There couldn't be a "neighborhood" less amenable to pushing a stroller with a baby in it but they do anyway.

5 posted on 07/02/2012 3:45:49 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (A Dalmation was spotted trotting down the street...)
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To: elkfersupper
I don't really know why most retain a presence there anyway.

The infrastructure and caliber of the workforce are peerless.

6 posted on 07/02/2012 3:48:34 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (A Dalmation was spotted trotting down the street...)
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To: Lorianne

Dallas/Fort Worth is full of smart, educated hard workers, many of who are bilingual or multilingual who, while not cheap, would be a lot cheaper than many East Coast workers. Also, corporate taxes are lower, there’s good infrastructure, the business environment is much better and there are no state income taxes.


7 posted on 07/02/2012 3:52:29 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (In honor of my late father, GunnerySgt/Commo Chief, USMC 1943-65)
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To: elkfersupper

however, as this (and every other) industry shifts towards black-boxing its intellectual capital, it must be tempting to pay monkeys to press the buttons with bananas. Can’t imagine it being a sound long-term strategy, however.


8 posted on 07/02/2012 3:53:15 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (A Dalmation was spotted trotting down the street...)
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To: the invisib1e hand
The infrastructure and caliber of the workforce are peerless.

Both are available anywhere that has a flat spot and a smart phone.

9 posted on 07/02/2012 4:33:51 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Lorianne

This was inevitable and makes perfect sense. I was born and raised in NYC and now live just outside it. I never go there anymore, it has lost its soul.

But most importantly, there is no reason anymore for people to travel into the City to work. The fact that so many people still do amazes me.

There was a time when labor needed to be concentrated in one place. Today you and your co-worker can be thousands of miles apart and it make no difference. I personally make a good living receiving and delivering work over the internet to people I have never met in person, and I have been doing it for over 10 years. I have good relationships with my clients, I just have no idea what they look like.

So why, then, are people willing to sit in ridiculous traffic, pay $12 to cross a bridge, to go into a concrete jungle where you are not even allow to stop your car, and parking it will cost a minimum of $45 (usually more)?? Because it’s a cool place to be??? Hardly. There is nothing cool about NYC anymore.

In short, the New York City is too expensive, too demanding, and there is no just no longer any reason to pay workers to support the cost of being there.


10 posted on 07/02/2012 4:51:30 PM PDT by AdaGray
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To: elkfersupper
Both are available anywhere that has a flat spot and a smart phone.

really? i think you mean you can execute a trade via the internet.

buying the product isn't quite the same thing as manufacturing it.

11 posted on 07/02/2012 5:26:08 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (A Dalmation was spotted trotting down the street...)
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To: DownInFlames
Assuming there is a high security Internet access readily available why live in New York, California, or any other high cost/uncomfortable area?

The attachment to face-to-face business models is rapidly disappearing and taxes and regulations increase.

If this divorce from 19th and 20th century business models wasn't cost and product effective how come eBay, Amazon, Peal and other such businesses are not only surviving but actually growing.

/SS/ Thank you Al Gore for inventing the Internet! /SS/

12 posted on 07/02/2012 5:49:24 PM PDT by Nip (TANSTAAFL and BOHICA)
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To: the invisib1e hand
The infrastructure and caliber of the workforce are peerless.

Both would crumble if the businesses were to go elsewhere.

Big city infrastructures were built a long time ago, when transportation wasn't as easy as today, and communication wasn't as easy as today.

Detroit had the infrastructure, and at one time, it had the workers. Then, government began to eat at the business infrastructure at the expense of the regions infrastructure, and the workers began looking for more business-friendly environs, where the work had moved to.
13 posted on 07/02/2012 5:59:41 PM PDT by adorno
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To: adorno
perhaps. the question was, why would they stay here. here and now, the know-how and means are here. the transit system brings ten million people a day. people in this area have been in finance and capital markets for generations.

you can't duplicate that just anywhere, and you can't do it overnight. not even with the internet.

14 posted on 07/02/2012 6:06:34 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (A Dalmation was spotted trotting down the street...)
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To: the invisib1e hand
you can't duplicate that just anywhere, and you can't do it overnight.

You've narrowed it down. The reality is that it can be duplicated and it won't happen overnight, but it's already happening. Once you get good restaurants in Florida why live in NYC?

15 posted on 07/03/2012 4:34:46 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Lorianne
This trend has been going on for forty years.

The functions that require face-to-face contact stay, along with their direct support staff. As for why people want to meet in a place with a lousy climate, aging infrastructure, corruption and high costs, I think the answer is force of habit. At least London retains its status because of a cultural tradition in the City. Manhattan, however, is just an accident of history and location on century-old immigration routes. If you are a state pension fund CIO, where would you prefer to meet the banker who is pitching an investment? ... Manhattan, your office in Austin, say, or Miami, Newport Beach, etc.? There is no reason to meet in Manhattan other than habit and intransigence. They still rib Bill Gross for his 'beach' location as if he is a dilettante. Give it time.

16 posted on 07/03/2012 5:50:20 AM PDT by Praxeologue
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