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To: joe fonebone
Wrong.

Roberts has just expanded the power of the Federal government beyond the liberals' wildest dreams. His decision to limit the Commerce Clause is vacuous, because the Commerce Clause is no longer required: his decision finds that absent any specifically enumerated power, or power implied by the common law, the taxing authority of Congress is in and of itself a sufficient justification of the law.

People who actually understand that the Constitution requires Congress to act within its mandate grasped at the Commerce Clause as a desperate straw they could claim for the mandate's justification. Now Roberts has told them that no justification for any law is required, as long as it has tax consequences.

It's not a victory. It can't be twisted into one. It is the most staggering defeat of conservatism and the most vicious betrayal of the Constitution in the history of the Republic.

It would have been FAR BETTER for Roberts' to simply assert that the Commerce Clause obtained. He didn't. It's effectively the end of Constitutional government.

Read the decision tonight, and weep; because America is gone.

24 posted on 06/28/2012 3:02:56 PM PDT by FredZarguna (The justification for a tax cannot be the authority to tax in and of itself.)
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To: FredZarguna
This is unbelievable. We are no longer a free country. Our only hope is those in the military who have sworn to protect the Constitution can save us.
35 posted on 06/28/2012 3:10:41 PM PDT by RavenLooneyToon (Tail gunner Joe was right.)
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To: FredZarguna

Hey fred...

As I said before, the congress had always had the power to tax anydamnthing it pleases...

congress got no new powers in this decision..

congress got STRIPPED of powers given to it during the communist roosevelt administration.

states rights were reaffirmed by removing any and all penalties against states that choose to “opt out”..

some are crying about fubocare and that the court should have just overturned it. I beleive a golden opportunity was laid at the feet of roberts.

the libs wanted this thing as law no matter what. Roberts wanted the slow creep of socialism, with the commerce clause and that other “feel good” clause that the communists have been using for over 70 years reduced back to original intent.

The libs took the bait.

Now, like what has been said, it is up to us to elect the government we want, and FORCE them to do OUR bidding.

gonna be tough with the socialists that have infiltrated the republican party, but it can be done.

and as a side note, the tax thing does not start until 2014. With so many organizations exempt from the tax, do you really think this tax upon certain people will stand as constitutional?

If this thing is allowed to stand ( and romney already said that he wants to keep parts of it ) then in 2014, the unions and everyone else that thought they had an exemption will be in for a rude awakening...

just my thoughts


40 posted on 06/28/2012 3:18:15 PM PDT by joe fonebone (I am the 15%)
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To: FredZarguna

I’ve wept all day. I see it how you see it. Nothing good happened for the US today!


48 posted on 06/28/2012 3:39:38 PM PDT by Halls (Jesus is my Lord and Savior)
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To: FredZarguna; All

YET AGAIN, THE TAXATION IS NOT NEW POWER.

Virtually every single legal scholar agrees that all courts from the bottom up would have upheld the law if Congress had explicitly called it a tax.

Roberts did not expand government at all with the decision, actually dramatically restricting it and daring people to elect those to will repeal the bill when he wrote in his opinion that it is the job of the people to fix policy abuses by Congress, not the court.


92 posted on 06/28/2012 9:15:27 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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