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Obama Administration Probably Guilty of Murdering Mexicans in "Fast and Furious" War on Mexico
Freeper Editorial ^ | 27 Jun 12 (Update) | Xzins

Posted on 06/27/2012 3:05:14 PM PDT by xzins

On October 11, 2011 Eric Holder broke the news that Iran had been engaged in a covert war against the United States, and had even sent an agent to the U.S. to involve Mexican drug cartels as accomplices in a plot to murder the Saudi Arabian ambassador to the United States.

What is truly amazing about this is that Eric Holder has been engaged in his own covert war against another nation...against Mexico and Mexicans for the past three years. In the bizarre world of Washington D.C., the Obama Administration was doing the same thing against the Mexican government that it accused Iran of doing against the United States. It has been arming Mexican drug cartels with thousands of highly lethal battlefield weapons. The cartels have been using those weapons to deadly effect against Mexican officials and Mexican citizens. Hundreds of Mexicans have been killed in cold blood with weapons intentionally provided to them by the Obama Administration.

As recently as 8 Oct 2011 the Los Angeles Times reported:

High-powered assault weapons illegally purchased under the ATF's Fast and Furious program in Phoenix ended up in a home belonging to the purported top Sinaloa cartel enforcer in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, whose organization was terrorizing that city with the worst violence in the Mexican drug wars.http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-atf-guns-20111009,0,6431788.story

In addition to the blood spilled in Mexico, blood has also been spilled in the US. U.S. Border Agent, Brian Terry, murdered in a firefight against the Mexican cartel on the U.S. side of the border, has had the weapons used to kill him positively identified as being among those GIVEN to the drug cartels by the Obama Administration. In a conversation reported by CBS News, Terry’s death is callously dismissed as “collateral damage.” (See http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20109529-10391695.html)

While Eric Holder might plead "not guilty" to the above charges, the facts remain the same. If it is not murder and a covert war, the Obama Administration is left with only one dishonorable explanation: they could plead gross incompetence and hundreds of grossly negligent homicides.

The Obama Administration has been a major participant in hundreds of Mexicans being murdered. It has provided deadly arms to the Mexican government's number one public enemy, the blood-thirsty Mexican drug cartels. To date, Mexico has not filed charges in either the World Court or at the United Nations.

Will it do so? Mexico's attorney general, Marisela Morales, quoted in the Los Angeles Times said that:

deliberately letting weapons "walk" into Mexico ...would represent a "betrayal" of [her] country http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/19/world/la-fg-mexico-fast-furious-20110920

At this point, the investigation into the Obama Administration's covert war on Mexico has been hampered by obvious obstruction from Eric Holder, the U.S. Attorney General, a man whose incompetence has permitted this travesty to go on. Even now a contempt of Congress vote is being prepared against him. Additionally, President Obama's claim of executive privilege can only mean that the ultimate trail must lead to the top member(s) of the Executive Branch.

Morales, Mexico's attorney general, ...told The Times that she first learned about Fast and Furious from news reports. And as of last fall, she said, U.S. officials had not briefed her on the operation...nor have they apologized. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-mexico-fast-furious-20110920,0,6511144,full.story

"At no time ...In no way would we have allowed it, because it is an attack on the safety of Mexicans."

To repeat, Morales said that directing weapons into Mexico to be used against Mexican citizens and the Mexican government is "a betrayal of [her] country."

The Obama Administration owes more than it can ever repay to the families of Mexican murder victims and to the family of murdered US Border agent, Brian Terry. At the least, it could acknowledge some grave error and begin making reparations to those struck down in cold blood with U.S. provided weapons.

Even though a contempt of Congress citation is all the talk these days, due process should result in criminal charges. These will be small consolation for the murder victims of the Obama Administration’s covert war on Mexico.




TOPICS: FReeper Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; comtemptofcongress; fastandfurious; gunrunner; holder; obama
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To: xzins

Since our border with Mexico is uncontrolled, it is reasonable to conclude that we do not know how many other Americans have been murdered by firearms supplied via Fast & Furious in the United States.

One ATF whistleblower stated that when the news broke about the shooting of Congresswoman Gabriel Giffords, alarms went off at ATF headquarters over the chance the firearms was one of the Fast & Furious weapons.


21 posted on 06/27/2012 4:02:20 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: mrsmith

I have no doubt this goes to the top. He and Holder are longtime associates, and even though they might have backchanneled and covered all their conversations, I’m certain that Obama would never have been out of the loop on something like this.


22 posted on 06/27/2012 4:02:54 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: marron
Before this story broke, I remember that O and Holder were encouraging the Mexican government to file suit in American courts against US gun manufacturers.

I have no doubt that this is part of a plan to attack the 2nd amendment rights of Americans.

However, are we going too quickly to one obvious possibility and ignoring another that we would be less quick to address?

What if Obama/Holder have some reason to favor/aid the drug cartels? What if power comes from the end of a gun, or what if money greases palms, or what if hundreds of medium transactions finance super-PACs, etc., etc.

23 posted on 06/27/2012 4:07:33 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Paine in the Neck
A guy called Rush the other day and pointed out the fact “who murders a bunch of people and just leaves the weapons at the scene?”

Makes you wonder if part of the deal was to leave some of them at the scenes. Wouldn't that be an interesting e-mail for the regime to try to explain.

24 posted on 06/27/2012 4:08:25 PM PDT by Clay Moore (The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the left. Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I agree, Erik.

I know that hundreds of those weapons are still not accounted for. There is no telling how much damage remains to be done by them.


25 posted on 06/27/2012 4:09:31 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: mrsmith

If killing Mexicans is pro-Hispanic, then Hispanics should line up in droves to support gun-runner Barack Hussein Obama.


26 posted on 06/27/2012 4:11:16 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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27 posted on 06/27/2012 4:11:16 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Excellent!


28 posted on 06/27/2012 4:14:07 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: MarkL
"In order to excuse the Obama regime, Bob Beckel on "The Five" actually have the nerve to say that, "if the drug cartels didn't get the guns from F&F, they would have gotten them somewhere else!""

Bob Beckel, surprisingly, is correct. But, it doesn't excuse the Obama Administration and the DOJ from this heinous deed. They had no business playing this dangerous game with our southern neighbors. Personally, I hope Mexico charges Obama, Holder, and Clinton with crimes against humanity and demands their extradition.

29 posted on 06/27/2012 4:20:00 PM PDT by 41Thunder (The SUPPLY of Government is GREATER than the DEMAND of the people)
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To: Jerrybob

Wow! Thanks.

“The Most Arrogant Man in the World”


30 posted on 06/27/2012 4:30:50 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: MarkL

Just got back from the health club, running on the treadmill, where I heard Beckel assert that Brian Terry would still be dead, the weapon would have been obtained elsewhere. This can not be the new talking point of the dems. I mean isn’t this an admission that gun regs. don’t work? P.S. I almost fell off the treadmill when I heard that statement.


31 posted on 06/27/2012 4:44:14 PM PDT by BLOC77 (i was pro-life before pro-life was cool)
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To: marron

“Mexican cartel are using machine guns, rocket launchers, and hand grenades. You don’t buy those at Walmart.”

One of the cartel kingpins that the Mexican feds caught claimed to have immunity from the US b/c of the State Depts involvement in arming them with anything & everything.

Hildahoof is done.


32 posted on 06/27/2012 4:47:17 PM PDT by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: xzins

Its not impossible that its “all of the above”.

The point is, O and Holder had started a drumbeat before this all came out, encouraging the Government of Mexico to file suit in American courts against US gun manufacturers. I remember it, and I was expecting it any day when this story broke and they were forced to back off.

What they did instead, to distract attention from it, was start a big push for new reporting regulations, ignoring the fact that gun dealers had reported this.

As for your point, I’ve seen this before. There was a case a few years ago when a south american general was on trial in his home country for running cocaine into the US. His defense was that he was working with DEA and they had agreed to send a load through so they could follow it and see all the connections.

Sounds like a great idea. They went on to run another dozen loads. So at what point does an investigation become a cover for a smuggling operation.

Stories about Fast and Furious tend to overlook its twin operation running guns into Honduras. Supposedly they were selling them to MS13, which is bad enough, but I have wondered if they were arming Zelaya’s partisans. This all took place about the time they were trying to force him back into power.


33 posted on 06/27/2012 4:51:37 PM PDT by marron
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To: xzins

And Obama is still counting on the hispanic vote...lol!


34 posted on 06/27/2012 4:53:10 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (Resurrect the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)...before there is no America!)
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To: xzins

The SOBs did it for political gain.

Good work, Chaplain.


35 posted on 06/27/2012 4:55:36 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: marron
As for your point, I’ve seen this before. There was a case a few years ago when a south american general was on trial in his home country for running cocaine into the US. His defense was that he was working with DEA and they had agreed to send a load through so they could follow it and see all the connections. Sounds like a great idea. They went on to run another dozen loads. So at what point does an investigation become a cover for a smuggling operation.

I didn't know about this. Do you have a link to a good, complete summary of the above? Thanks, marron.

36 posted on 06/27/2012 4:57:20 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Sorry, it was a Venezuelan general from back before Chavez if I remember correctly. So thats been a few years back now.


37 posted on 06/27/2012 5:01:39 PM PDT by marron
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To: Cyber Liberty

Thanks, Cyber.

I agree. Political gain.


38 posted on 06/27/2012 5:07:15 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: marron

The point, though, is that these “sting” operations are also ideal means of hiding graft/corruption.


39 posted on 06/27/2012 5:09:17 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Can you publish it....get it to go viral?

Fast & Furious — Obama Lied; Hispanics Died!

It’s so clear.


40 posted on 06/27/2012 5:11:16 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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