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Revealed:Reagan Planned to Give Thatcher U.S. carrier for '82 Falklands
U.S. Naval Institute ^ | June 27, 2012 | U.S. Naval Institute

Posted on 06/27/2012 10:20:18 AM PDT by Saint X

While publicly claiming neutrality between Argentina and the U.K. during the 1982 Falklands War, President Ronald Reagan’s administration had developed plans to loan a ship to the Royal Navy if it lost one of its aircraft carriers in the war, former U.S. Secretary of the Navy, John Lehman, told the U.S. Naval Institute on June 26.

Lehman and then Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger agreed to support U.K. Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher with the loan of the amphibious warship USS Iwo Jima , he said.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: falklands; lph2; navy; reagan; thatcher; ussiwojima
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1 posted on 06/27/2012 10:20:35 AM PDT by Saint X
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To: Saint X

There would have been a lot of US sailors aboard. No getting around that. I wonder if they could have improvised a ski-jump on the foredeck?


2 posted on 06/27/2012 10:33:42 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Saint X

The way I remember it, it was Secretary Al Haig's suggestion.

3 posted on 06/27/2012 10:40:42 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (In honor of my late father, GunnerySgt/Commo Chief, USMC 1943-65)
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To: Tallguy
I wonder if they could have improvised a ski-jump on the foredeck?

Why would they need one on a longer decked carrier?

4 posted on 06/27/2012 10:40:54 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Saint X

Oh, yeah, down in the Maldives.


5 posted on 06/27/2012 10:45:18 AM PDT by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: Saint X
The Iwo was a Amphibious Assault Carrier. Not long enough for jests to operate, but perfect for carrying a brigade of Marines and their Harriers.

Reagan 'probably' gave Thatcher a lot of the SIGINT and SATINT for England to keep the Falklands.

6 posted on 06/27/2012 10:50:46 AM PDT by Wizdum (My job is to get you to shoot soda out your nose)
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To: Saint X
At the time, the Royal Navy had deployed HMS Invincible and HMS Hermes to the Falklands. Each carrier fielded five vertical takeoff Sea Harriers armed with American Sidewinder missile

FIVE aircraft?! Good Grief, I bet the USS Langley had a bigger compliment.

7 posted on 06/27/2012 10:50:46 AM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: Saint X
The Iwo was a Amphibious Assault Carrier. Not long enough for jets to operate, but perfect for carrying a brigade of Marines and their Harriers.

Reagan 'probably' gave Thatcher a lot of the SIGINT and SATINT for England to keep the Falklands.

8 posted on 06/27/2012 10:51:08 AM PDT by Wizdum (My job is to get you to shoot soda out your nose)
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To: Saint X

I served aboard the USS Iwo Jima (1965-67.) It was an LPH, which could only launch helicopters. I guess the Brits could have used it with their Harrier jets. Not really an aircraft carrier in the traditional sense.


9 posted on 06/27/2012 10:52:29 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Saint X

We loaded the Royal Navy to the gills with our supply ships as they transitted south. A nearly continual underway replenishment of weapons from war reserves.

Today, Obama would nuke the British fleet (if there was one).


10 posted on 06/27/2012 10:53:10 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: kabar

I was on USS New Orleans (LPH-11) around that time, we would also have harriers occaisionally.


11 posted on 06/27/2012 11:00:00 AM PDT by trappedinnj (Missing Something)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

The USS Langley carried 36 aircraft.


12 posted on 06/27/2012 11:04:50 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (In honor of my late father, GunnerySgt/Commo Chief, USMC 1943-65)
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To: kabar

In the 1970s, the US tested the Iwo Jima class for V/STOL and concluded that the ships could serve as platforms for harriers. It wasn’t ideal, but would get the job done if needed.


13 posted on 06/27/2012 11:05:49 AM PDT by Saint X
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To: Tallguy

No, they would have had US aircraft with US pilots in them.

BTW, did you know that there were US airborne tankers air refueling British aircraft during the war?


14 posted on 06/27/2012 11:14:36 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: SampleMan

If there is a new conflict, President Romney (I am getting to like the sound of that) should loan them a carrier, like the old USS Kitty Hawk, and some planes too. Maybe a cruiser or two as well.


15 posted on 06/27/2012 11:19:53 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

The Brits were operating Harriers off of container ships stacked to make deck.


16 posted on 06/27/2012 11:26:24 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: Blood of Tyrants
No, they would have had US aircraft with US pilots in them.

That was sort of the point for my asking the question about the ski-jump/ramp. US naval aviators don't have the benefit of it, but the Brits use it with their Sea Harriers. More than likely they would have had a VMFA detachment & just painted roundels on the jets. The pilot/aviators would be called "exchange pilots". No need for a shake & bake version of the AVG/Flying Tigers.

17 posted on 06/27/2012 11:35:51 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Oldexpat
The Brits were operating Harriers off of container ships stacked to make deck.

But without a hangar deck in the winter seas of the South Atlantic, the container ships were a poor option. I've heard that these Harriers were 'spares' or alternatively meant to fly ashore once an airstrip was secured.

You may recall that the Atlantic Conveyor was sunk by air launched anti-ship missiles -- probably Exocets.

18 posted on 06/27/2012 11:39:27 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Why would they need one (a ski-jump) on a longer decked carrier?

I think it changes the angle at which the thust-vectoring nozzles get set allowing for more forward air-speed to be carried on the take-off roll. Less fuel consumed; greater warload.

19 posted on 06/27/2012 11:42:56 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: trappedinnj

During my time, there were no Harriers. I was on the first Iwo Jima (LPH-2), which was retired and replaced by an LHD bearing the same name.


20 posted on 06/27/2012 12:50:56 PM PDT by kabar
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