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$5B CAMO SNAFU
http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/06/24/062412-news-camouflage-fiasco-1-5/ ^

Posted on 06/27/2012 7:36:08 AM PDT by TigerClaws

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To: military cop
I hated the Air Force velcro name badges. They looked sloppy and I was glad when we went back to sewn on name tapes and pin on badges. I liked the BDU's and DCU's.

21 posted on 06/27/2012 8:25:29 AM PDT by TSgt (The only reason I have one in the chamber at all times, is because it is impossible to have two in.)
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To: Red Badger

Nothing will beat my forest or desert flight suit. Good solid colors.

I think it is funny the Marines didn’t want other services using their pattern. They took it from the Canadians.


22 posted on 06/27/2012 8:27:26 AM PDT by Azeem (There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo.)
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To: treetopsandroofs

The Navy did something similar back in the eighties. Until then, the summer khaki uniforms were made from cotton.
But someone decided that since cotton burns and presents a hazard during a fire onboard a ship, the uniforms should be made of polyester, which doesn’t burn.
When my husband told me he was going to need new summer uniforms made from polyester, I was both horrified and furious. No, polyester doesn’t “burn”, it melts, and sticks to the skin, creating burns every bit as bad. I was rather vocal about the change and discovered that numerous wives knew what a mistake the change was while the men had no idea. We had seen polyester become a fiery black little blob that sticks to the skin when we set manmade fabric swatches on fire in home ec.
A few years later the mistake was corrected and the cotton returned.
You can believe the camo story.


23 posted on 06/27/2012 8:28:13 AM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: TigerClaws

The old Olive Drab Green is about as close to universal camo as there has ever been.


24 posted on 06/27/2012 8:45:09 AM PDT by JohnKinAK
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To: TigerClaws
...several non-commissioned officers complained to late Pennsylvania Rep. John Murtha, and he took up the cause in 2009.
The first thing I would do is look into John Murtha's ventures in 2008 or so into clothing companies making camouflage uniforms.

Lining his pockets, as it were.

25 posted on 06/27/2012 8:52:05 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Travis McGee; TigerClaws
Pirated from CADPAT or not, the woodland MARPAT works better than anything in my AO (deep, deep south). The greens here are bright, and the sunlight's often so harsh that everything in the day is either brilliantly lit or in total shadow -- most eyes just can't discriminate various dark shades when the pupil is narrowed to protect the retina.

When it's wet (and that's common too), MARPAT becomes even more effective. I read later that was noted in testing early on.

Problem with MARPAT, well, isn't with MARPAT per se -- it's their construction, at least as the USMC does things. The 50/50 NyCo fabric is comfortable and wears like iron. However, in this climate of 90f temps and 90% humidity, the fabric in these needs to be half the weight to keep you from heat stroke in the first hour. Can't have everything, I suppose. So I keep the trousers and wear 100% cotton above that -- t-shirts are available from all the usual sources, both short and long sleeve, in woodland MARPAT. So they don't have the EGA in the pattern -- oh well!

Please be advised that all this is a result of my own tests on the subject, and individual mileage (and opinions) will vary.

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26 posted on 06/27/2012 8:53:53 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: JohnKinAK
"The old Olive Drab Green is about as close to universal camo as there has ever been."

Spot on. In my neck of the woods, that's very true.

27 posted on 06/27/2012 8:55:39 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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29 posted on 06/27/2012 9:18:20 AM PDT by Titan Magroyne (What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.)
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To: JohnKinAK

Nothing was more comfortable than those old olive drab work uniforms.

Using a civilian cleaners and getting the old 3 creases in back helped their appearance though.

On field exercises I would always have an extra set and a fresh pair of jump boots for the last day, I always returned from the field immaculate and crisp.


30 posted on 06/27/2012 9:27:31 AM PDT by ansel12 (Massachusetts Governors, where the GOP now goes for it's Presidential candidates.)
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To: TSgt

Unfortunately, you need to be able to “sanitize” your uniform in certain environments.


31 posted on 06/27/2012 9:34:54 AM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse
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To: TigerClaws; All

Geeeeez!

Just go back to khaki for uniforms in the field. The Grunts will get them dirty enough to blend into whatever backdrop is around in no time.


32 posted on 06/27/2012 9:56:02 AM PDT by Jack Deth (Knight Errant and Resident FReeper Kitty Poem /Haiku Guy)
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To: TurboZamboni

That’s awesome. I could use that setup to hide from my kids when I need a nap!


33 posted on 06/27/2012 10:01:00 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: TigerClaws

So.... will the Army return to the Pickle Suit or the Salad Suit
?


34 posted on 06/27/2012 10:04:47 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: TigerClaws

Of course the one guy responsible for the $5 billion F-Up has since retired. Isn’t that convenient.


35 posted on 06/27/2012 12:06:23 PM PDT by DManA
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To: TigerClaws

“...it’s natural to ask what went wrong and how they’ll avoid the same missteps this time around.”

OK, then ASK.


36 posted on 06/27/2012 12:07:34 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: TigerClaws
Here is the original FR article from 2004 announcing the new uniforms: Army gets new combat uniform. Pictures at link.

-PJ

37 posted on 06/27/2012 12:20:56 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: TigerClaws
Too bad that Chameleons and Cuttlefish are more 'technologically' advanced than we are.

Give me $5 Billion, I'll see if I can figure out how they do it.

38 posted on 06/27/2012 1:19:44 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: TigerClaws
Technically, it's not a "SNAFU", it's a "COMMFU".
39 posted on 06/27/2012 2:07:31 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: JohnKinAK

“The old Olive Drab Green is about as close to universal camo as there has ever been.”

Yep. Everything I have is OD. When dirty, dusty, or wet, it takes on the colors of the surrounding area. Of course, no color or pattern is ever perfect in every background, but OD works extremely well is many areas.


40 posted on 06/27/2012 3:33:52 PM PDT by CodeToad (Homosexuals are homophobes. They insist on being called 'gay' instead.)
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