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To: unlearner
Since you don't accept the entire Old Testament which is the entirety of Scripture Christ and the Apostles quoted and taught from we really have nothing to discuss

There's no sense pointing out anything in the subset of the Bible you may say you accept because if you have so little regard for Scripture that you toss a portion of the Bible in the trash can and ignore it you're sure be willing to twist and distort the subset you keep and pretend to rely on.

Believe whatever you like and pretend it's the Truth, but don't bother to tell me that what you believe is Christianity and the imitation of Christ. At least be honest enough to call what you believe Husism, Lutherism, Wycliffeism, Russelism, or whatever 'ism' applies to the man you accept as your final authority in order to avoid accepting the same Scripture Christ and the Apostles taught from without ever implying those Scriptures contained anything that shouldn't be there.

The one thing you might consider is how much:
Numbers 16:3 And when they had stood up against Moses and Aaron, they said: Let it be enough for you, that all the multitude consisteth of holy ones, and the Lord is among them: Why lift you up yourselves above the people of the Lord?

sounds like:
";Dr. Martin Luther will have it so, . . . I will have it so, and I order it to be so, and my will is reason enough. I know very well that the word 'alone' is not in the Latin or the Greek text . . . "

and how God the Father Himself responded to what is written in Numbers. Then consider how God the Father Almighty must look at those who follow a man rather than His Son, The Incarnate Word of God made flesh.

I John 5:9 If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater. For this is the testimony of God, which is greater, because he hath testified of his Son.

I included those few verses on the off chance that they're from portions of the Bible that you include in the subset of the Scriptures you claim to accept.

have a nice day

57 posted on 06/29/2012 3:51:39 AM PDT by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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To: Rashputin

“Since you don’t accept the entire Old Testament which is the entirety of Scripture Christ and the Apostles quoted and taught from we really have nothing to discuss”

I’ve already shown from scripture what Christ called and the apostles called “all scripture” at the time of Christ which included the Law, the Prophets, and Psalms (poetic writings). Your assertion that there are more than this “all scripture” carries no weight and contradicts scripture.

“The one thing you might consider is how much:”

Numbers 16:3 And when they had stood up against Moses and Aaron, they said: Let it be enough for you, that all the multitude consisteth of holy ones, and the Lord is among them: Why lift you up yourselves above the people of the Lord?

The people rebelled against the man God had chosen to be the mouthpiece of God and put there own dreams and visions above his authority. There was no Law for the people to consult then. Moses was the source of the Law for them.

I have the utmost regard for the authority of Moses and the apostles. They are the ones who wrote the scriptures. It is you who are asking me to disregard their authority for that of contemporary men on the supposition these modern clergymen have more authority than God’s Word, Moses and the apostles.

You will assert the Church is needed to understand scriptures. Who then will help you understand the Church? And who will explain that person’s explanation, and so one, forever. The Word of God is alive and can explain itself without the need for a human teacher. And God has provided His Holy Spirit to teach also.

“Then consider how God the Father Almighty must look at those who follow a man rather than His Son, The Incarnate Word of God made flesh.”

But you are the one advocating to follow modern clergy men to tell me what is God’s Word when I do not need them because Jesus and Peter and Paul already tell me what is God’s word and who has apostolic authority.

A larger problem here is that I have already addressed these issues very plainly, and you skip over my arguments as if they were not even there, and fail to answer them, and just assert more vehemently that you are right. You haven’t answered anything regarding apostolic credentials, or what Jesus and the apostles called “all scriptures”.


58 posted on 06/29/2012 7:21:39 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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