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To: RobbyS

My point, Robby, is that purgatory is a fictitious invention of man, not something God made. It doesn’t exist.

Our (i.e. pertaining to believers not unbelievers) suffering here and now is NOT to pay for our sins. It is to learn holiness and to set an example to others so they can see Christ in us.

No penance or self-affliction or other human effort will ever pay for, purge or redeem us from sin. These are ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY accomplished by the blood of Christ through faith in His blood.

Prayers, fastings, watchings, and spending time in quiet solitude communing with God can be beneficial to put our hearts in tune with God. These are worthless if there is any hint of doing them to earn forgiveness. We must do them BECAUSE of the great debt we have already been forgiven, IF WE HAVE INDEED BEEN FORGIVEN.

If anyone seeks forgiveness from God, let him first and only flee from God’s wrath through the blood of Christ. There will be no second chance after this life because it is appointed to man once to die and after that the judgment.


36 posted on 06/25/2012 8:04:07 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: unlearner; RobbyS
"It doesn’t exist."

Feel free to ignore the fact that neither Christ or the Apostles ever even implied that anything in the Septuagint was in error or wasn't the Word of God, but I'll stick to all of the Scriptures Christ and the Apostles taught from. Since you prefer to agree with the Pharisee canon that Luther fell back on to avoid what he didn't like, why not toss out the rest of what Luther didn't like? You know, James, Hebrews, Jude, and Revelation and so on? Sorry, but people who claim to believe in the Bible but throw out a portion of His Word aren't reliable interpreters of Scripture.

In fact, even according to the subset of the Bible such folks do accept, it's clear they shouldn't throw out portions of the Scripture Christ never said were in error :
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so now I say again: If any one preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received, let him be anathema.

Of course, no where does Scripture say all such false apostles will even know they're false apostles. In fact, they've probably been deceived themselves, but still:

2 Cor 11:13 For such false apostles are deceitful workmen, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2 Cor 11:14 And no wonder: for Satan himself transformeth himself into an angel of light.

have a nice day

39 posted on 06/25/2012 9:54:03 PM PDT by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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