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To: unlearner; RobbyS
"It doesn’t exist."

Feel free to ignore the fact that neither Christ or the Apostles ever even implied that anything in the Septuagint was in error or wasn't the Word of God, but I'll stick to all of the Scriptures Christ and the Apostles taught from. Since you prefer to agree with the Pharisee canon that Luther fell back on to avoid what he didn't like, why not toss out the rest of what Luther didn't like? You know, James, Hebrews, Jude, and Revelation and so on? Sorry, but people who claim to believe in the Bible but throw out a portion of His Word aren't reliable interpreters of Scripture.

In fact, even according to the subset of the Bible such folks do accept, it's clear they shouldn't throw out portions of the Scripture Christ never said were in error :
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so now I say again: If any one preach to you a gospel, besides that which you have received, let him be anathema.

Of course, no where does Scripture say all such false apostles will even know they're false apostles. In fact, they've probably been deceived themselves, but still:

2 Cor 11:13 For such false apostles are deceitful workmen, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2 Cor 11:14 And no wonder: for Satan himself transformeth himself into an angel of light.

have a nice day

39 posted on 06/25/2012 9:54:03 PM PDT by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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To: Rashputin

Glad to see you agree that scripture is the authority in this matter. I will gladly change my position if you can show me where the doctrine of purgatory after this life is found in scripture.

Yes, the apostles recognized the Septuagint as scripture. Almost all of the apostles’ quotes from the Old Testament were directly from the Septuagint. Exceptions include Matt 2:15 and 2:23, John 19:37, John 7:38, and 1 Cor. 2:9 which contradict your notion that the LXX is always preferred over the Hebrew (or supposedly “Pharisee”) texts.

More significantly, nearly all of the Old Testament books are quoted authoritatively in the New Testament. The absence of the other texts being quoted supports the recognition of which texts are canon. There are many useful books which are not God-breathed. While some of these texts are helpful, the apostles did not invoke the authority of these non-canonical books.

Further, Jesus identified the divisions of scripture as commonly accepted in that time - Law, Prophets and Psalms. He read from those scriptures and never accused the contemporary clergy with wrongly identifying scriptures. He did however address that they had placed doctrines of men above the commands of God - something many continue to do.

So we can easily identify scriptures using the scriptures. We receive the writings of the apostles who have met the tests of apostleship. Paul listed these qualifications for us in his writings, all of which writings Peter tells us are scripture. John further commended churches which implemented these tests when he wrote to the seven churches of Asia.

We still have these apostles with us today, who being dead still speak. We have Paul, Peter, John and others. Modern claims of apostolic authority by the Catholic church fail to meet biblical standards which include being an eye-witness of Christ’s resurrection. This witness is one of seven essential elements of the Gospel which you accuse me of deviating from. Indeed I do deviate from the gospel you proclaim but not the one referenced in the biblical passage you cite.

When Paul instructed the Corinthian church to turn over a believer to the destruction of the flesh, it was so that his “spirit may be saved”. No mention was made of his need to suffer after death. He also says that believers works will be proved by fire. Anything deficient will be burned up, and we will be “saved... by fire”. Reward is promised for good works that pass this test. Again, no mention of any punishment being given for the works that burn except the “suffering” of lost reward. If there was a purgatory, either the apostles did not know about it, or they did a poor job of providing proper instruction on the matter.

No where in the Hebrew or Greek scriptures is there a purgatory. You are the one at risk of proclaiming a false gospel which Paul, Peter and John did not preach - one that gives hearers a false hope of a second chance after this life. Now is the accepted time. Today is the day to receive salvation. After death the opportunity has passed, and no amount of empty, futile, and sacrilegious prayers will move one soul from judgment into Heaven because any soul having been cleansed by the blood of Christ will not need such prayers, and souls not having received such cleansing will be hopelessly and eternally lost to God’s abiding wrath.

Luke 16:24-26
Then he [the lost rich man] cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’

2 Corinthians 6:2
Behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.

Hebrews 9:27
It is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment.


51 posted on 06/26/2012 11:39:05 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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