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1 posted on 06/23/2012 10:07:42 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Zubrin is a genius and visionary.
The man should be in charge of NASA.


2 posted on 06/23/2012 10:11:31 AM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: neverdem

Great review of what looks like an excellent book. With all the nonsense coming from Rio and the radical left, people need to understand the roots, and the end game for Agenda 21 and all of the UN’s wacky ideas for the earth.

Thanks for posting the link.


3 posted on 06/23/2012 10:51:49 AM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: neverdem

Scientists not driven to false conclusions by ideology and bigotry of some sort have long separated form the eugenics / population control in their thinking about human evolution and evolution in general. Long gone is an idea that evolution must lead to the survival of the fittest to be replaced by survival in the current environment combined with genetic drift. Further, there is much thought about what exactly separates us from other creatures. Paleontologist Ian Tattersall clearly acknowledges the large cognitive gap between people and all other species. This leads inevitably to valuing the individual.

Empathy is found in other species with high intelligence for other individuals of that species and in some domesticated animals for humans they are closely associated and dependent upon. Nothing begins to approach the wide range of empathy the individual is capable of. Empathy is essential for any “community” beyond say ants. Certainly one where membership is partly voluntary. However, only people can have the empathy of a Jain who agonizes over the pain an insect feels (an extreme only humans are capable of).

This is one of many reasons eugenics and radical environmentalism is eventually unworkable outside of cults. We can begin to eliminate an “enemy” but eventually the effort will “run out of steam” as we observe the pain we cause. Even Tamerlane eventually took pity on his enemies.


4 posted on 06/23/2012 10:55:59 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: neverdem
excellent video of Zubrin explaining his point
5 posted on 06/23/2012 11:02:59 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: neverdem

bflr


6 posted on 06/23/2012 11:15:28 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: neverdem
Zubrin begins with Thomas Malthus, “the founding prophet of modern antihumanism,” who claimed in his 1798 Essay on the Principle of Population that any population always geometrically grows larger than the food supply. Malthus’s argument ignored humans’ creative ingenuity

In (partial) defense of Malthus, at the time he wrote he was more or less accurate.

1798 was right at the start of the Industrial Revolution and right in the middle of a huge UK population explosion. It is not reasonable to expect him to have been able to foresee how industrial and agricultural technology would change things.

IOW, projecting the situation when he wrote into the future, he was more or less right.

If you study Chinese history, you see a series of Malthusian events, with population pressures at the root of disruptions that eventually bring down a dynasty, the resultant chaos resulting in 50% to 75% drop in population.

New dynasty eventually emerges, brings stability, population growth resumes. Rinse and repeat.

IOW, most of the criticism of Malthus is based on 20/20 hindsight.

7 posted on 06/23/2012 11:20:06 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: neverdem

Just downloaded it into my Kindle.


9 posted on 06/23/2012 12:14:26 PM PDT by Ranald S. MacKenzie (It's the philosophy, stupid.)
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To: neverdem

This sounds like a beautiful and timely book.

I wouldn’t, however, be so quick to include genetically modified foods and vaccinations into the benefits column when discussing antihumanists and the Club of Rome - these technologies have been badly abused by those globalists most determined to “reduce” the population by any means. And their ferocious battle against effective oversight of these technologies proves it, not to mention that they are obvious potential carriers of just as much ill, as the good they could provide.

In any event, it’s incredibly refreshing to see a scientist take the position that consciousness was not somehow generated from matter through mere “complexity.” Watching this denial of the Second Law take root among neurobiologists has been most depressing.


10 posted on 06/23/2012 12:53:08 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: neverdem

Very interesting read. Thanks for posting.


11 posted on 06/23/2012 3:16:34 PM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: neverdem

turning the culture of death into a science. the ultimate vanity.


13 posted on 06/23/2012 4:52:52 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (they have no god but caesar)
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To: wardaddy; Joe Brower; Cannoneer No. 4; Criminal Number 18F; Dan from Michigan; Eaker; Jeff Head; ...
IPCC Gives Up On Science, Makes Grey Literature Official

Obama’s Catch-22 Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

Fast and Furious front and center - Victim becoming a footnote Boston Herald

Fast and Furious and OCDETF [in depth account of DOJ procedures]

Washington-based Justice Department officials had earlier [in 2010] discussed bringing Attorney General Eric Holder to Phoenix for a triumphant press conference with Arizona U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke to herald the conclusion of the Department’s flagship firearms trafficking case. In the aftermath of Agent Terry’s death, the task of announcing indictments at a press conference fell to ATF Phoenix Division Special Agent in Charge William Newell and Burke. Holder did not attend.

The last link should open on my comment with a link to the printer friendly version. It was a newbie's very first post. The story was just linked.

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14 posted on 06/23/2012 6:09:05 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for posting!


18 posted on 06/23/2012 11:27:14 PM PDT by Aria ( 2008 wasn't an election - it was a coup d'etat.)
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To: neverdem; Vaquero; wagglebee
Robert Zubrin was on a radio show recently for hour plus interview. He was outstanding.
19 posted on 06/29/2012 1:14:21 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available 4 FREE at CpForLife.org)
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