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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This account is full of lies, especially the tired old canard, that has been disproved, that Zimmerman didn’t “stand down” when he was told. Actually he was never told to stand down but when they told him to quit following he did.


2 posted on 06/23/2012 1:30:55 AM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59

Truly dumb article. Zimmerman’s claims of self-defense have nothing at all to do with Florida SYG law, but rather rely on rights to self-defense included in earlier Florida law, and indeed in the law in every other state.

Now his claims may be untrue or invalid, as if it can be shown that Z started the fight, but even in such a case they still have nothing to do with SYG.

SYG may be a bad law, and modifications may be appropriate. But misstating what the laws says and how it applies is no help whatsoever to the public conversation on the issue.


5 posted on 06/23/2012 1:42:51 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: calex59
"This account is full of lies, especially the tired old canard, that has been disproved, that Zimmerman didn’t “stand down” when he was told. Actually he was never told to stand down but when they told him to quit following he did."

You are right. A 911 operator is NOT a policeman and has NO authority to ORDER anything. In fact he (the 911 operator) only "suggested" that he not follow Travon. ("We don't need you to do that"), was the actual statement. That sure as hell was NOT an ORDER. It is my understanding that Mr. Zimmerman did quit pursuing at that time.

The local news here in central FL started this whole thing by interviewing so called witnesses, you know the ones that want their 15 minutes of fame, or the ones with their voices & photos distorted.

21 posted on 06/23/2012 4:20:15 AM PDT by DeaconRed (My vote in Nov will be dictated by my extreme hatred for ZERO and what he is doing to our country.)
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To: calex59
"This account is full of lies."

The biggest one that I forgot to mention was that Travon was such a sweet boy and such a good child.
He was a bad kid. He was in Sanford because he was expelled from school in Miami. He sold drugs, found with burglary tools and stolen items in his locker. He punched a school bus driver. This is just what is known no telling what all he really did.
Anything but a model child. . . .

23 posted on 06/23/2012 4:38:29 AM PDT by DeaconRed (My vote in Nov will be dictated by my extreme hatred for ZERO and what he is doing to our country.)
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To: calex59

Stand your ground does not apply in the Zimmerman case. Its about a modern-created “duty” to retreat if you have that option when you have are threatened/attacked. Zimmerman could not retreat from his attacker knocked down with his back on the ground. Accordingly, any article like this that mentions it in the Zimmerman case is either an idiot author or more likely is pushing their own anti-individual self-defense, anti-gun agenda.


25 posted on 06/23/2012 4:41:18 AM PDT by Mechanicos (When did we amend the Constitution for a 2nd Federal Prohibition?)
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To: calex59
This account is full of lies

You certainly got that right! I still don't see how "stand your ground" is in play here, based on the facts that have been released.

How in the h??? is that an issue when someone attacks you and threatens to kill you while beating your head against the ground and trying to take your gun?

Maybe we should get a new law, the "Lie on the ground" defense.

55 posted on 06/23/2012 6:16:57 AM PDT by Real Cynic No More (OxBAMA!!'s name is all caps as sarcasm to indicate a lack of respect, as he does not deserve it)
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