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Can the Natural Gas Sector Save the US Economy?
CNBC.com ^ | 20 Jun 2012 | Shelly K. Schwartz

Posted on 06/21/2012 11:36:53 PM PDT by neverdem

It may not pique the public’s interest quite like finance or information technology, but it just could just save the U.S. economy.

Indeed, the natural gas industry supports some 2.8 million jobs — either directly through companies engaged in exploration and drilling or indirectly through manufacturers that use the fuel as a raw material, according to the American Gas Association.

The real potential for economic impact, however, lies in the vast reservoirs of shale gas that are newly accessible through hydraulic fracturing.

Better known as “fracking,” the process involves extracting natural gas from shale rock layers deep within the Earth using a highly pressurized mixture of water and chemicals.

“Energy is always a key player in the economy and because producers have been able to make these advances in technology and efficiency improvements, shale gas could be a very significant driver for the economy going forward,” says Rocco Canonica, director of energy analysis at Bentek Energy, an energy market research firm in Evergreen, Colo.

Over the last four years, fracking, along with traditional drilling, has unlocked a staggering 3,400 trillion cubic feet of natural gas in North America, enough to supply U.S. consumers at current demand levels for more than 100 years, according to business and economic research firm IHS...

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To: Jeff Chandler
Not if you convert it to methanol, ethanol, propane, its a potential raw feedstock for other even more useful fuels and compounds.
21 posted on 06/22/2012 5:14:09 AM PDT by nomad
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To: neverdem

Resource extraction is not a one-trick pony. Drilling for oil, mining and logging are wealth multipliers.

Mining iron, gold, coal and copper fueled the industrial revolution.

Logging white pines built Chicago, St. Louis and other cities in the Midwest.

Just cleaning out the mess made by the loathesome eco-fascists in the national forests will employ millions of people for years.


22 posted on 06/22/2012 5:19:41 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Public unions exist to protect the unions from the taxpaying public)
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To: neverdem
vast reservoirs of shale gas that are newly accessible through hydraulic fracturing.

I love how the media is stuck trying to "inform us" that fracking is "new", and thus unknown/mysterious/dangerous. We've been fracking in this nation since the 1940's.

23 posted on 06/22/2012 5:22:37 AM PDT by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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To: thackney

My next new vehicle purchase will be a NG fueled truck and I will have a NG refueling station at home. My NG is cheap where I live.


24 posted on 06/22/2012 5:28:16 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Islamoprogressivenists need not reply.)
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To: Eye of Unk

I’m converting every practical appliance I have to NG,
so I’m making a “bet” on it as the fuel source of the future.

Of course, if 0bama’s ideology holds sway, there will be NO energy source that they’ll allow us commoners to use.


25 posted on 06/22/2012 5:31:45 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion; All

Chrysler, Ford, GM Introduce Natural-Gas Pickup Trucks
http://enr.construction.com/economics/quarterly_cost_reports/2012/0326-ford-gm-and-ram-introduce-natural-gas-pickup-trucks.asp

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Responding to demands for cheaper, cleaner fuels than gasoline or diesel, Ford, General Motors and Ram have introduced new pickups that are designed to run on compressed natural gas (CNG) and gasoline.

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These are dual fuel vehicles. They can run on Natural Gas AND Gasoline. They have tanks for both.


26 posted on 06/22/2012 5:36:01 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: neverdem

The short answer: Yes.

A longer explanation: The U.S. economy is like a cork in a tub of water. Unless the heavy thumb of government pushes it down sufficiently it pops to the surface. Even when government does push the cork under water, it finds it difficult to keep it there. The cork twists (in this case due to fracking) and slips out from under the thumb.

Cheap energy always drives economic growth. It makes the production of everything else cheaper, and makes heating and cooling your home cheaper. This yields a two-fer plus. Not only are goods cheaper, but the amount households spend on subsistance goods (food, heating and cooling, transportation fuel) drops. This frees up the money for consumption or investment. Both of these further fuel economic growth by increasing consumer demand or increasing investment capital.

Since natural gas is becoming so cheap, electric rates will drop as well as consumer natural gas. So will plastics that use natural gas for feedstock. So will petroleum products, as there is less demand for petroleum in electrical generation and other places where natural gas can substitute for petroleum. (Note that if the price drops below that of production, some oil wells will stop producing, but eventually an equalibrium — at a lower aggregate price — is reached.

While gluts of other goods can harm a national ecomomy, energy gluts never seem to hurt a diversified aggregate national economy. (Texas got hurt by the oil glut of the 1980s, but it was boom times for the rest of the nation.) And many of the major energy-producing regions (Texas, Colorado, Pennsylvania) all have more diversified economies than they did in the 1930s or 1980s. (The Dakotas do not, but they still will benefit, even if there is an energy bust.)

Assuming that the Obama Administration (with its “All-of-the-Above-Ground” energy policies) goes poof in 2012, then the period from 2013-2023 could be like the 1980s for economic growth. Even if the American people repleat their folly of 2008, we should see solid growth, regardless — due to falling energy prices. I do not see how even Obama can recork the fracking genie.


27 posted on 06/22/2012 5:39:16 AM PDT by No Truce With Kings (Ten years on FreeRepublic and counting.)
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To: MrB

With some education, some tooling and of course a source of biomass a person can make their own methane storage tank.

But one must be aware that the FEds will balk at every inch about touting NG as a transportation fuel, because enforcing the taxation will be a great big hassle.

If NG does take off then they will demand taxes by the mile through a black box or Onstar device.


28 posted on 06/22/2012 5:42:38 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Islamoprogressivenists need not reply.)
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To: Eye of Unk

Yep, I plan to become a methane and syngas hobbiest at my new “compound”.


29 posted on 06/22/2012 6:00:16 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Jeff Chandler

It doesn’t have to be that way. Natural gas like propane can play a part in eliminating the imported oil strangling our economy. Check my tagline. If a farmer up the road can convert his own vehicles & a tractor and refuel them from a gas well on his property using a surplus high pressure oxygen compressor similar to a dive shop compressor, we’re not looking at rocket science. That’s a technology that’s been around for many decades.

The alternative is to continue importing the lions share of the world’s oil, 9 to 12 million barrels a day, and continue wearing OPEC’s shackles.

The real benefit of using natural gas is drastically cutting the cash flow to countries that aren’t working for our best interests. Do you think that might reduce the cash for terrorism or the nuclear program in Iran?


30 posted on 06/22/2012 6:05:55 AM PDT by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: meatloaf
If a farmer up the road can convert his own vehicles & a tractor and refuel them from a gas well on his property using a surplus high pressure oxygen compressor similar to a dive shop compressor, we’re not looking at rocket science.

If you use a general purpose compressor to compress flammable Natural Gas, rather than the Class 1, Div 1 or 2 rated machines, you should expect some exciting results. Maybe not the first or second time you use it; but almost certainly eventually.

There is a very good reason the Natural Gas Industry is ONLY allowed to use electrical equipment rated for hazardous areas. It was an expensive and deadly learning curve for too many years.

Tiny leaks and arcing contacts, brush motors, etc don't mater much when compressing air. Natural Gas is another case.

We don't spend the extra money for no reason. And there is also a reason the electrical Hazardous Area Classification drawing are nearly always required to be stamped by a registered professional engineer.

31 posted on 06/22/2012 6:37:45 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
"I’m all for NG fuel, for fleet use where economy of scale can minimize the inconveniences involved. But for the personal car, IMHO it doesn’t really work. The fuel cost savings just won’t justify the inconvenience."

IMO, I don't think that LNG is a viable option. CNG is the way to go, even for long haul.

The "inconvenience" is almost totally due to the scarcity of infrastructure. Once CNG "fillup stations" are as ubiquitous as current "gas stations", the inconvenience disappears. I'm well aware of the energy density issue, but if the sole inconvenience is that I have to fill up more often, I'll accept that.

I stand by my original assertions.....fleets will be first, and drive the installation of infrastructure, then passenger cars will switch. One datum pointing in this direction is that most fleet "fill up" points that are established also allow the general public (early CNG adopters) to use them.

Further, I think that the order of switchover will be large local fleets (UPS/FEDEX/and similar) first, then long-haul fleets with CNG added to truck stops, and then the general public. Pretty much inevitable given the supply/demand trends.

32 posted on 06/22/2012 6:40:58 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: Wonder Warthog
IMO, I don't think that LNG is a viable option.

Several owners of long-haul operations disagree.

UPS turns to LNG, not CNG, for natural gas fueled long-haul trucks
http://knowledgeproblem.com/2011/02/25/ups-turns-to-lng-not-cng-for-natural-gas-fueled-long-haul-trucks/

LNG Vehicles Are In It For the Long Haul
http://members.questline.com/Article.aspx?articleID=20703&accountID=1863&nl=12731

Volvo Trucks First to Market LNG Powered Truck for Long-Haul Operations
http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2011/05/31/534869-volvo-trucks-first-to-market-gas-powered-truck-for-long.html

Trucks Run On Natural Gas In Pickens Clean Energy Drive: Freight
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-29/trucks-run-on-natural-gas-in-pickens-clean-energy-drive.html

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Helping to build the infrastructure, Clean Energy Fuels (T. Boone Pickens) is building 150 stations across many of US highways.

Natural Gas Filling Stations: Few and Far Between
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304707604577422252404819664.html

In my opinion, we will see a build up of both CNG and LNG retail, often at the same highway truckstop location.

LNG will become a fuel of choice for long-haul, marine and locomotive. CNG will be used more by residential and light commercial.

Shell is investing in LNG for Marine transport.

Shell to make LNG available as marine fuel, starting in U.S. Gulf market
http://www.marinelog.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1306:2011sep00072&catid=1:latest-news&Itemid=195

Wärtsilä and Shell sign co-operative agreement to promote use of LNG as a marine fuel
http://www.wartsila.com/en/press-releases/wartsila-and-shell-sign-co-operative-agreement-to-promote-use-of-lng-as-a-marine-fuel

33 posted on 06/22/2012 7:03:33 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

He did have one episode when the timing chain cover was blown off a truck. I wouldn’t hestitate to use the setup provided explosion proof electrical fittings were used along with locating and isolating the compressor like the dynamite magazines that used to be very common.


34 posted on 06/22/2012 7:04:10 AM PDT by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: meatloaf
provided explosion proof electrical fittings

I would only use a C1D2 rated motor on the compressor as well. Hermetically sealed contacts on the pressure switches, etc.

35 posted on 06/22/2012 7:11:48 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: meatloaf

BTW, I’ve been the lead engineer for up to 15,000 Hp Electric Motor driven Natural Gas compressor stations. I’ve done up to 42,000 Hp on Natural Gas turbine driven compressors.


36 posted on 06/22/2012 7:14:06 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: meatloaf

But... but... how is the government going to be able to get “its share” of that?


37 posted on 06/22/2012 7:15:57 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: thackney
Responding to demands for cheaper, cleaner fuels than gasoline or diesel, Ford, General Motors and Ram have introduced new pickups that are designed to run on compressed natural gas (CNG) and gasoline.

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These are dual fuel vehicles. They can run on Natural Gas AND Gasoline. They have tanks for both.

Yup. And they are trucks. Because where are you gonna put the extra fuel tank for CNG in a car?

38 posted on 06/22/2012 7:27:05 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Dual-fuel sedans are expected to follow in the 2013 model year.

http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Duel-Fuel-Vehicles-that-can-Run-on-Gasoline-or-Natural-Gas.html

I doubt we will see that in a little compact.

http://www.auto-exhausts.com/news/Hafei-Auto-to-make-cheap-clean-dual-fuel-sedan-38.html


39 posted on 06/22/2012 7:49:16 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

I recall your previous posts. I have no doubts about your expertise. Nor do I minimize the potential for an explosion. I wouldn’t consider putting a home grown compressor setup behind block walls or even reinforced concrete walls. It’s just more shrapnel unless the concrete and reinforcing was specifically designed for overpressure. I would probably dig a pit for a small strucure including gas sensing and an explosion proof ventilation system.

I’ve been checking eBay for berylium tools.


40 posted on 06/22/2012 8:20:27 AM PDT by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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