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Coming soon to a hospital near you....socialized medicine (Obamacare)
1 posted on 06/20/2012 8:24:22 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

If I had a terminal and painful illness with no hope for a decent life I would welcome a quick death. I believe this story to be a bunch of hype. Now if they were killing viable and treatable patients strictly on the basis of age, then there would be legs to this story.

There should be a Dr. Kevorkian available when you need one.


2 posted on 06/20/2012 8:30:22 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

All need be aware of the Orwellian British agency...eerily foreshadowed in a novel, That Hideous Strength, written by CS Lewsi in 1944....N.I.C.E.

Set up by the Labour government in 1999, the National Institute of Health and Clinical Excellence (N.I.C.E.) produces “guidance” for the NHS on what drugs and treatments should be provided by Britain’s government-funded health system. From the extraction of wisdom teeth, to the funding of Alzheimer’s drugs, to the provision or withdrawal of nutrition and hydration to disabled patients, N.I.C.E. lays down what will and will not be paid for by Britain’s National Health Service.

The N.I.C.E. describes its template of criteria as being based on “efficacy and cost effectiveness,” in which a key formula is the “quality adjusted life year” (QALY). The QALY “takes into consideration the quality of life of the patient during any additional time for which their life will be prolonged”. The clinical and cost effectiveness of the treatment is then used as the basis for a recommendation as to whether or not the treatment should be provided.

The case of Leslie Burke, a retired postman with a degenerative motor neurone disease, is illustrative. Burke sued the government for the right not to be denied nutrition and hydration when his illness rendered him unable to swallow or communicate. He won his first case in 2005 with a judge ruling that denying nutrition and hydration “would be a breach of claimant’s rights under . . . the European Convention on Human Rights.” But the General Medical Council and the Department of Health appealed and won.

The head of scientific development and bioethics at the Department of Health, Elizabeth Woodeson, argued in the case that the NHS, according to the guidelines laid down by the N.I.C.E., must retain the right to dehydrate such patients to death or “there would be considerable risk of inefficient use of NHS resources.”

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2008/feb/08020701

N.I.C.E runs what are effectively, the death panels, in Britain. Coming here iminently ...courtesy of the Democrat Party and Obama...


5 posted on 06/20/2012 8:42:48 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

A while ago, I began connecting the dots:

First, the stories about people being refused water while in hospital in Britain. A man who drank the water from a plant in his room because no one would give him water, then the patient who ended up calling the police because no one would give him water. The police show up, they do not give him any water, they leave, he dies soon after.

Second, the European Union section that deals with healthcare comes out with the ridiculous ruling that water is NOT a hydrating agent.

Third, a story I read that said that the hospitals used to tell patient’s families when the patient was put on this program that labeled them terminal. However, those pesky family members would intervene (I don’t know, maybe they gave them water) and would end up saving the life of the patient, which led to

Four, another article saying that they had decided that they would no longer tell family members when their loved one was labeled as “terminal”.

Five — this article, yeah we kill thousands every year. And, they seem proud of it.

As you say, coming to a hospital near us via Obamacare.


8 posted on 06/20/2012 9:00:04 AM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: AngelesCrestHighway; Dr. Brian Kopp; New Jersey Realist

What don’t these doctors understand about the Commandment “Thou shalt not kill.”??

That includes choosing this method of death for oneself or for a loved one, doesn’t it?

Good grief, get them out of the hospitals and back into your home where you can treat them without the slow death of these doctor OR Hospice.

Yes, when my husband died, we had hospice for four months. I regret it now — for I see how they manipulated his death.


12 posted on 06/20/2012 9:38:56 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

The “Shipman Cult” lives!

Dr. Harold Shipman murdered over 200 of his patients, before being convicted, sentenced to prison, and hanging himself. Not out of feelings of guilt, but out of feelings of self pity, that it was not fair that he be imprisoned.

If each physician involved in these murders has been as prolific as Shipman, in a single year this would mean 650 of them had each killed 200 patients. Half as prolific, 1,300 doctors would have killed 100 patients each.

So either *some* doctors are killing almost a patient a day, *each*, or more, or doctors in Britain are almost all engaged in a more limited killing spree, killing more people than most serial killers.

That is, every British doctor could right now be killing more people *each year* than did the Green River Killer, John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, Richard Ramirez,
The Boston Strangler, The Hillside Strangler, Ed Gein, etc.


15 posted on 06/20/2012 10:10:58 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

This is how you pay for “free” healthcare.


20 posted on 06/20/2012 1:36:27 PM PDT by ArcadeQuarters (Anyone But Romney)
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22 posted on 06/20/2012 3:22:18 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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