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I am not sure it is possible to hate the feds any more than I do after seeing this play out.
1 posted on 06/18/2012 5:47:36 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

They ain’t got spit so they’re gonna jail his wife and oh yeah, him, for perjury.


2 posted on 06/18/2012 5:51:55 PM PDT by Calusa (The pump don't work cause the vandals took the handles. Quoth Bob Dylan.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

unbelievable the way this is being handled. what a mockery.


3 posted on 06/18/2012 5:53:20 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (they have no god but caesar)
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To: Red in Blue PA

This poor guy has got the tar and rail waiting for him.
Wonder who profited from his recordings.
Oh wait! THE SHERIFF AND THE PRESS!
He don’t stand a chance.


4 posted on 06/18/2012 5:54:18 PM PDT by Bibman (Tea Party since 1976)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Zimmerman is done , next step is meeting the hand picked guy with the shiv to finish it


5 posted on 06/18/2012 5:55:04 PM PDT by molson209
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To: Red in Blue PA

The paypal account is a defense fund, $$ for living expense and payment of lawyers. It is not a bail fund.

This is all a bunch of crap.

Can anyone remember when a defense fund was scarfed up by the prosecution and used to increase the bail amount...thus destroying the ability of citizens to contribute to someones defense in any meaningful way?


6 posted on 06/18/2012 6:00:55 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: Red in Blue PA; Fred Nerks; mojitojoe; TigersEye; LucyT; little jeremiah

This is a shameful display of political trial. Zimmermann was exhonerated by municiple police , of having acted in self defence. Yet the so called presidents comment , about Trayvon could have been his son, sparked racial hatred, the appointment of a special prosecutor, the circumvention of the usual grand jury process for indictment, and now Zimmermann and his family have to live not only with a destruction of their due process rights, and the right to a fair trial,BUT they also have to cope with liberal fascism
of the Obama administratiuon and the insidious way of influence peddling they execute on the people of the supposedly free state of Florida, now trembling at the prospect of “convict Zimmerman or else” race riots will follow?

Eff them one and all. Zimmerman should not even be charged with an offence. This is a political show trial designed to
end “racism” when in fact it should represent the legitimate defence of ones own life.Its just like the political show trials in history of other totalitarian states designed for the specific purpose to shape and manipulate the public.

All this the Zimmermans suffer alone while a horrified nation watches as justice goes down the tubes, chased away by the burgeoning political correctness which now rules our nation, instead of the rule of law.


8 posted on 06/18/2012 6:02:30 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info....http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Red in Blue PA

What did the Judge ever do about the public bounty on GZ?


10 posted on 06/18/2012 6:12:42 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Red in Blue PA

It is increasingly obvious that the prosecution intends to nail Zimmerman with a secondary offense so that when he gets aquitted of murder/manslaughter the jag-offs like the ‘Reverend’ Al can continue to run around saying that Zimmerman is ‘guilty’.


13 posted on 06/18/2012 6:24:18 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Embarassing this is happening in my county

Zimmerman is innocent of the crime he is charged. This money issue is bogus...they do not even go to this extreme for big time drug lords or mafia.

The Black Ku Klux Klan is trying to lynch Zimmerman...and the prosecutor, judge, and Zims own attorney (yes) is helping them

GZ needs to fire OMara now.....this bogus charge should have any half baked atty hollering on the media every minute. OMara has been a weakling


22 posted on 06/18/2012 6:59:57 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Obama really was not born in Kenya...he was born in Greece. Look at the economy)
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To: Red in Blue PA

23 posted on 06/18/2012 7:00:07 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I am not sure why some folks keep focusing on how the money was spent. That’s irrelevant.

What’s relevant is that Zimmerman’s wife testified that she had no idea how much money had been raised through the website. Yet she had logged into that account and transferred out more than $120,000 to other accounts in the four days immediately prior to her testimony. The transfers were all broken up into just under $10,000 increments in the belief that this would keep the transfers unreported and unknown. The jailhouse conversations they speak about these transfers in very clumsy and obvious code.

You can say that the prosecution over-reacted, but based on what we now know, there doesn’t appear to be any question at all that they lied.

I said several months ago that I didn’t think it really mattered whether Zimmerman was guilty, because politics would put him in jail. When he was grossly overcharged, and the charging affidavit was so poorly, unprofessionally written, and accompanied by no new evidence suggesting his guilt, I had a glimmer of hope that justice might actually be served and he might walk.

But taking clear, specific actions that will enable the prosecution to impeach your credibility in a case where you are the only living witness - your own best hope to stay out of prison - is so profoundly stupid that I am utterly at a loss to understand it.

I really hope we learn something exculpatory in the new bond hearing, because right now it looks really bad, and I have to believe that O’Mara is livid. I’d be interested to hear what any Freeper attorneys think.


27 posted on 06/18/2012 7:10:25 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: Red in Blue PA

It’s not the Feds. It’s the prosecutors in Florida. It’s doubtful that these conversations would be admissible at trial. I don’t know why the prosecutors are releasing them.


37 posted on 06/18/2012 8:07:18 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Socialism isn't going to work this time, either.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

It’s obvious the prosecutor is trying to drain any funding Zimmerman has so he won’t be able to defend himself.


49 posted on 06/19/2012 2:50:14 AM PDT by Hacksaw (If I had a son, he'd look like George Zimmerman.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

I wonder did they record all the conversations with zimmerman’s lawyer too?

did they have a warrent or is this a routine practice to record warrentless?

is this to prevent escapes or to snoop for fishing expeditions?

Was zimmerman warned about the recordings? any inmate?

Why was the prosecutor sorting through security audio?


59 posted on 06/19/2012 5:59:08 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Red in Blue PA; PhatHead; Uncle Chip; anglian; Bobalu; Sacajaweau; WHBates; SeminoleCounty; ...

One of the most important things for a defendant to do while testifying in court is to *NOT* piss off the judge…

George Zimmerman is *NOT* very likely to be convicted of the outrageous overcharge of second degree murder based on the evidence made public so far. He even *HAD* a good chance that the judge might dismiss this case outright during a pretrial hearing based on the lack of evidence of a murder, weighed against his claim of self defense. But he and his wife *Screwed Up, Big Time*.

They made very stupid and damaging mistakes while testifying during the bond hearing by not voluntarily revealing that they had received over $130,000 in cash donations. A Florida statute (Fla. R. Crim. P. 1.131) compels the defendant during the gathering of any information to be used for a bail hearing that their testimony “shall be accurate, truthful, and complete, without omissions, to best knowledge of the defendant.” So, it doesn’t really matter that the state asked malformed or sloppy incoherent questions like “How much money is in that website right now?... ”, the donation money amount had to be truthfully disclosed anyway. The violation of this statute is cited by Judge Lester as a reason for his Order Revoking Bond, issued 11JUN2012, which resulted in GZ being ordered to surrender to be jailed again. For anyone interested in this case, you should *carefully* read this three page order. It is very clear that Judge Lester is *VERY* pissed off.

Some damning quotes:

… “It is apparent that Shelly Zimmerman testified untruthfully at the bond hearing. The Defendant [George Zimmerman] also testified, but did not alert the Court to the misinformation.” …

… “Most importantly, though, is the fact that he [George Zimmerman] has now demonstrated that he does not properly respect the law or the integrity of judicial process.” …

Totally unnecessary and self inflicted mistakes by GZ and SZ that may well result in:

A) No chance now that this ridiculous case will be dismissed by this pissed off judge during the self defense pretrial hearing.

B) That this pissed off judge will not release GZ again on bail. GZ will likely remain in jail until his second degree murder trial begins.

But, this is not even the end of this stupid mess. Now SZ has been charged with perjury for her apparently untruthful testimony during the bond hearing, as cited by Judge Lester’s bond revocation of GZ, and the prosecution’s affidavit of probable cause of perjury against her (which also should be *carefully* read by those interested in this case). SZ answered her own husband’s defense attorney’s question during the bond hearing:

… Q. I have discussed with you the pending motion to have your husband George declared indigent for cost, have I not?

A. Yes, you have.

Q. And is – - are you of any financial means where you can assist in those costs?

A. Uhrn, not- – not that I’m aware of. …

That answer is an obvious lie. To declare to be indigent (legally poor) while she *knew* that GZ had already received over $130,000 in cash donations is probable cause for a perjury charge.

But, even under later testimony during cross examination by the prosecution, SZ had another chance to come clean about the donated cash, but failed to do so:

… Q. And you mentioned also, in terms of the ability of your husband to make a bond amount, that you all had no money, is that correct?

A. To my knowledge, that is correct. …

Again, that is another obvious lie. And GZ was present at the hearing and did not bother to offer a correction to the court (as would be required by the FL bail hearing statute cited above) that might have saved his wife of a perjury charge…

So, is this another case where a defendant will not be convicted of the original charge, but instead be convicted of other charges stemming from the investigation? I fear that this will be true.


73 posted on 06/19/2012 8:13:02 PM PDT by Synthesist
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