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To: Rome2000

re: “The sooner the inevitable collapse caused by ignoring the Founders and amending the Constitution to institute Universal Suffrage happens, the better. Then the Republic can be reset and the vote extended only to taxpayers and Veterans.”

You mean civil war don’t you? The sooner the better? You do know what an all out civil war would entail don’t you? How do you know that the Republic will “reset” to what our Founders established, let alone the right to vote only going to taxpayers and veterans?

I assume the quotes you used from the Founders are intended to say that we no longer have a democratic republic, and that our government has evolved into a pure democracy. I would agree that we are certainly headed that direction, but I still think we are a republic and that the slide toward a “pure democracy” can still be averted.

The problem with this idea that a total collapse of our country into a civil war will produce a renewed, reset, and better America, as envisioned by our Founders, is that once a civil war begins there’s no telling where it will end up politically. It could just as easily turn us into a pure totalitarian state, communist state, or just decades of guerilla warfare run by groups of differing warlords.

As long as we can still vote, still have the possibility of removing those we don’t like in office through the ballot box (not bullets), and still have the possibility of changing the direction of our nation through Constitutional means, then I’m against open civil war. When and if our government removes all constitutional means for change, civil war will erupt on its own - but, again, what will happen politically is a complete unknown.

Civil war may come, but I would never hope for it.


26 posted on 06/17/2012 7:33:09 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: rusty schucklefurd; muawiyah; nascarnation
As long as we can still vote, still have the possibility of removing those we don’t like in office through the ballot box (not bullets), and still have the possibility of changing the direction of our nation through Constitutional means, then I’m against open civil war.

I don't agree.

Many of the large states are already openly communist due to universal suffrage, ensuring that no solution will ever be forthcoming from Congress, the Federal Judiciary, or the WH, as has been painfully obvious since the 17th amendment was adopted.

Nothing but bigger Federal Government and more Federal apparatchiks at the expense of ever increasing amounts of money extorted from working people.

The collapse is inevitable.

Doesn't mean there will be a shooting civil war though, the communist states don't have the power to raise armies, and will be too busy looting their own to pose a threat to the non communist states.

I envision a Provisional military government for six months , all incumbents fired from all three branches of government, then new elections with only taxpayers and veterans enfranchised.

The Federal capital to be rotated amongst the States (and not all states are necessarily going to be admitted), and term limits.

Unless the terrorists do us a favor and nuke DC first, but I doubt they would be that stupid, recognizing that the threat of the federal bureaucracy to productive US citizens makes the threat posed by the muhammadans pale in comparison.

All of this nonsense about there being a difference whether a foreign communist from Kenya or a mormon cultist grandson of polygamist refugees from Mexico occupies the White House is absurd.

45 posted on 06/17/2012 10:19:08 AM PDT by Rome2000 (WILLARD ROMNEY -- MORMON MELCHIDEZEK BISHOP -HIS FAMILY HAS AVOIDED MILITARY SERVICE FOR GENERATIONS)
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