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As long as we can still vote, still have the possibility of removing those we don’t like in office through the ballot box (not bullets), and still have the possibility of changing the direction of our nation through Constitutional means, then I’m against open civil war.

I don't agree.

Many of the large states are already openly communist due to universal suffrage, ensuring that no solution will ever be forthcoming from Congress, the Federal Judiciary, or the WH, as has been painfully obvious since the 17th amendment was adopted.

Nothing but bigger Federal Government and more Federal apparatchiks at the expense of ever increasing amounts of money extorted from working people.

The collapse is inevitable.

Doesn't mean there will be a shooting civil war though, the communist states don't have the power to raise armies, and will be too busy looting their own to pose a threat to the non communist states.

I envision a Provisional military government for six months , all incumbents fired from all three branches of government, then new elections with only taxpayers and veterans enfranchised.

The Federal capital to be rotated amongst the States (and not all states are necessarily going to be admitted), and term limits.

Unless the terrorists do us a favor and nuke DC first, but I doubt they would be that stupid, recognizing that the threat of the federal bureaucracy to productive US citizens makes the threat posed by the muhammadans pale in comparison.

All of this nonsense about there being a difference whether a foreign communist from Kenya or a mormon cultist grandson of polygamist refugees from Mexico occupies the White House is absurd.

re: “The collapse is inevitable.”

That may be but where I disagree with you is the outcome. I think another civil war is much more likely to be like the French Revolution - bloody, brutal, atrocities, and anarchy.

Once the shooting starts there is no telling where it will end up politically.

I hope you would be correct, I just don’t have that much faith in humanity once open war breaks out.

The success of the American Revolution was near miraculous. The integrity of the leadership, the last minute help from the French, and defeating the British at Saratoga and Yorktown, plus catching them napping at Trenton - we accomplished the impossible.

We defeated the super power of the day - I truely believe that it had to be with God’s help. Not because we were so righteous, but the principles upon which we were founding our nation were.

I don’t see our people being that wise or acting with as much personal integrety today.