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To: muawiyah

So now the marxists in DC are creating voters out of illegal aliens by fiat in their latest attempt to subvert the Constitution and remain in control of the spoils.

It’s been all over but the shouting since 1865.

The degenerate crooks from both parties that put on a big show every campaign season and fight over who gets to control the money extorted from the sucker American taxpayers are evil incarnate.

DC and the Washingtonians are always the problem and will NEVER be the solution.

The sooner the inevitable collapse caused by ignoring the Founders and amending the Constitution to institute Universal Suffrage happens, the better. Then the Republic can be reset and the vote extended only to taxpayers and Veterans

The collapse will be when the SS and welfare checks stop coming.

The franchise must be limited and determined by the states.

Incorporate term limits and rotate the Capital amongst the States.

“Democracies have been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their death.” James Madison

Remember democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide. John Adams: letter to John Taylor, April 15, 1814

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.:Thomas Jefferson


12 posted on 06/17/2012 6:45:57 AM PDT by Rome2000 (WILLARD ROMNEY -- MORMON MELCHIDEZEK BISHOP -HIS FAMILY HAS AVOIDED MILITARY SERVICE FOR GENERATIONS)
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To: Rome2000

What I wonder about is how many of these illegals have been voting already.

The incremental change may not be that large?


14 posted on 06/17/2012 6:49:37 AM PDT by nascarnation (t)
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To: Rome2000

Sad to say but Madison and his cohort had little knowledge of the history of democratic forms of government ~ there was an awful lot of guessing and theoretical temporizing in their discussions of their own grand experiment.


24 posted on 06/17/2012 7:27:47 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Rome2000

re: “The sooner the inevitable collapse caused by ignoring the Founders and amending the Constitution to institute Universal Suffrage happens, the better. Then the Republic can be reset and the vote extended only to taxpayers and Veterans.”

You mean civil war don’t you? The sooner the better? You do know what an all out civil war would entail don’t you? How do you know that the Republic will “reset” to what our Founders established, let alone the right to vote only going to taxpayers and veterans?

I assume the quotes you used from the Founders are intended to say that we no longer have a democratic republic, and that our government has evolved into a pure democracy. I would agree that we are certainly headed that direction, but I still think we are a republic and that the slide toward a “pure democracy” can still be averted.

The problem with this idea that a total collapse of our country into a civil war will produce a renewed, reset, and better America, as envisioned by our Founders, is that once a civil war begins there’s no telling where it will end up politically. It could just as easily turn us into a pure totalitarian state, communist state, or just decades of guerilla warfare run by groups of differing warlords.

As long as we can still vote, still have the possibility of removing those we don’t like in office through the ballot box (not bullets), and still have the possibility of changing the direction of our nation through Constitutional means, then I’m against open civil war. When and if our government removes all constitutional means for change, civil war will erupt on its own - but, again, what will happen politically is a complete unknown.

Civil war may come, but I would never hope for it.


26 posted on 06/17/2012 7:33:09 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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