Marco Rubio calls Obama immigration order a 'short-term answer'(RINO)

No one has said anything that affirms you as “correct” The ignorance on display is yours.

Just look what it did to the people on this thread and how they are trashing one of the best young spokesmen the party has generated.

Our “purity” tests will be the death of us.
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You are so correct. And when B. Hussein Obama gets another 4 years in the White House, America will deserve what she gets. And I hope it gets horrendously bad. I live out in the country. I can grow crops. My house, land and vehicles are all paid for. So, let the Democrat Liberals and the Conservative purists reelect him. I’m ready to ride it out, but, I bet they’re not.

Just look what it did to the people on this thread and how they are trashing one of the best young spokesmen the party has generated.

Our “purity” tests will be the death of us.
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You are so correct. And when B. Hussein Obama gets another 4 years in the White House, America will deserve what she gets. And I hope it gets horrendously bad. I live out in the country. I can grow crops. My house, land and vehicles are all paid for. So, let the Democrat Liberals and the Conservative purists reelect him. I’m ready to ride it out, but, I bet they’re not.

Since when does the number of people who agree with you define whether or not one is “correct”? If that’s the case, I guess Jesus Christ was not “correct” in his Teachings; seeing as how the majority of the 7 billion people on this planet do not affirm His Teachings.

Rubio’s bill would create a new class of visa for illegal aliens brought here as children. I said that it’s *like* a student visa (and it is, since it doesn’t create a path to citizenship), but it isn’t a student visa like the one that exists today. IIRC, the special visa would also allow the recipient to work in the U.S., but it is not a green card (so it would not create a path to citizenship) nor is it an H1B visa (so it wouldn’t depend on an employer requesting the visa for the recipient).

So what you're saying is that you want to create a whole new class of people who have a special status here in the U. S., that don't have to adhere to our laws. You know, maybe that's a great idea. I'll just sit down and start making a list of the special circumstances I want that apply to me, and screw the rest of you. You play by the rules, and I and the Hispanic illegal aliens can have our own special status.

The level of ignorance displayed here is astounding.

What's the matter, is this nation not becoming official diversified fast enough for you?

What do we tell the Australians, the Asians, the Europeans, and the Africans, when they complain that we have two sets of immigration laws, one for Hispanics and one for everybody else?

When it comes to you bleeding heart liberals, what about them? Do we just sign on to take the riff-raff from around the world in mass? Should we shoot for 2 billion people here in twenty years?

Is it really that difficult for you to understand that what Rubio is proposing is something new? You keep demonizing what Rubio has proposed and said without even taking the time to read and think about it.

I've been thinking about this since before 1986. How about you?

We have laws on the books and we don't enforce them. Now you support Rubio coming up with more laws we won't enforce. Then you blame me for telling it like it is.

And now you insult not just Senator Rubio, but me.

Frankly, the two of you are embarrassing yourselves. Don't blame me for pointing out what you're up to here.

You don't like the idea of illegal immigrants having a tough time now that they've come here and have no official status, so you want to cut them some slack and fix it.

HELL NO! This is fixed by them going home.

No, I did not join FR in November 2002 (I signed up right after the general election (but before the Senate runoff in LA) after having lurked for awhile) so as to become an “agent provocateur” for liberals 10 years later.

I don't care if you were the first member of F. R. I disagree with rewriting the laws of our nation to help folks who don't respect our nation enough to come here legally. And as for people brought here as children, I didn't do it. Our citizens didn't do it. Our government didn't do it. Their mommy and daddy did. Let them explain to their children the totally screwed up situation they ushered them into. Deport these people and be done with it. Crime doesn't pay. We have no obligation whatsoever to these people. I am sorry they find themselves in this predicament, but that's where it ends. I did not do it to them. Their family did.

It’s funny how you reflexively insult me and accuse me of being a liberal, when I’ve consistently said that *I don’t even like Rubio’s bill*.

If you don't like Rubio's bill, why are we having this conversation? Here, this is what you wrote above.

Rubio’s bill would create a new class of visa for illegal aliens brought here as children. I said that it’s *like* a student visa (and it is, since it doesn’t create a path to citizenship), but it isn’t a student visa like the one that exists today. IIRC, the special visa would also allow the recipient to work in the U.S., but it is not a green card (so it would not create a path to citizenship) nor is it an H1B visa (so it wouldn’t depend on an employer requesting the visa for the recipient).

You don't even grasp that you explained his bill in terms that defend it. Then you state, "I've consistently said that I dont' even like his bill." Well, except for when you defend his bill, you do consistantly say you don't like it.

Tell me again how I'm trying to make you look bad. Nope, you're doing it to yourself.

However, I recognnize (having read polls and not sticking my head in the sand) that it’s smart politics for him to cut the Democrats off at the pass and propose something that takes the whole “those poor kids brought here through no fault of their own” meme away from the Democrats without creating a path to citizenship, which is why the Democrats (particularly Obama) will do anything to stop the bill from getting to the floor.

Right now there are at least three polls linked from this forum. Even the wigged out Leftist rag Washington Post poll is 65/35 against what Obama said yesterday. Another poll is 75/25 against Obama. Then you describe others as having stuck their head in the sand. Well, at least we don't have our heads where yours, Rubio's, and Romney's is.

And if you can’t understand this, sorry, but I can’t do anything for you.

Go spread this manure on DU. It's stinkin up the place here.

I agree with you DoughtyOne and I agree with your assessment of the Soros worker, agent provocateurs here.

Thanks WaryOne. It does seem like some folks are his minions, whether intended or not.

Given that you’re obviously too stupid to understand what I wrote, I won’t hold your acrimony and insults against you.

I’ll type slower for your benefit. I don’t like Rubio’s bill. However, I’m not going to stay silent while people like you defame a conservative U.S. Senator by lying about what his bill says and does.

I also am mature enough to know that sometimes things that I don’t support are actually smart politics, since we have these things called elections, and we conservatives are not the only ones allowed to vote. The notion of deporting an 18-year-old college-bound high school senior who has lived in the U.S. since the age of two because his parents snuck him across the border illegally is not very popular among American voters. You point to polls in which solid majorities oppose Obama’s power grab (I’ll take your word for that—when I clicked on the link you provided to a Washington Post article, I didn’t find any polls), but a huge chunk of the population opposes when a president breaks the law, and another huge chunk opposes a plan that leaves open the possibility of providing amnesty for illegal aliens down the road such as Obama’s executive order, but unfortunately that does not mean that 65%+ of the population wants to deport college-bound high-schoolers or recent college graduates who have lived in the U.S. since the age of two. The Democrats want to use those more sympathetic cases to try to shove amnesty down our throats, and Rubio cleverly outmaneuvered them by proposing the Republican DREAM Act, which does not create a path to citizenship. The fact that Obama and the Democrats are fighting it tooth and nail tells you something about what it does (take an issue away from the Democrats) and doesn’t do (provide them with a path to citizenship). As I’ve said repeteadly, I would rather give the illegal aliens nothing (which is an easy position to take, since I’m not the one looking at polls and campaigning and fundraising every day to bring a Republican majority to the Senate), but I’m not going to lie about the bill just because I would rather not have it pass, nor will I stand pat while others lie about it.

Oh, and another tthing. Neither the Rubio bill nor the Obama unconstitutional executive order differentiates between Hispanic and non-Hispanic illegal aliens. Your bigoted little diatribe about how it’s one set of rules for Hispanics and one for everyone else is even more embarrassing than your non-sequiturs regarding the effect of the special visas provided by Rubio’s bill. If you want to start a political movement with the goal of getting rid of Hispanics from the U.S., you’re in the wrong forum. I am the first person to defend opponents of illegal immigration when they are unfairly accused of being anti-Hispanic bigots, but your statements about Rubio’s bill treating Hispanics one way and non-Hispanics another way make it pretty clear that you do not deserve the benefit of the doubt.

Oh, and having been thinking about something since 1986 (the year in which President Reagan made the second worst mistake of his presidency (after nominating O’Connor): signing an illegal alien amnesty bill into law that did create a path to citizenship) doesn’t give you any special understanding of bills that you reflexively dismiss without even bothering to find out what’s in them. I know, reading is hard, and so is thinking. But that’s what separates educated conservatives from bigots who have to resort to accusing fellow conservatives of being liberal agents. (And, no, saying “go back to DU” does not make you clever, much less right.)

“Soros worker.” Good one, Mr. Wilde. I thought you had passed away, but I’d recognize your sharp wit anywhere.

Given that you’re obviously too stupid to understand what I wrote, I won’t hold your acrimony and insults against you.

One of your many problems on this topic, is that I do understand what you wrote, and the implications of what you wrote. Don't you wish you did?

I’ll type slower for your benefit.

What I would suggest, is that you take that new slower pace, cut it in half, and use all that extra time before you click send, to think.

I don’t like Rubio’s bill. However, I’m not going to stay silent while people like you defame a conservative U.S. Senator by lying about what his bill says and does.

LOL, in your posts you go to great lengths to explain why Rubio's plans are great. Then you say you don't agree with him. I'm not putting words in your mouth. You're posting your own thoughts, and those thoughts betray you.

However, I’m not going to stay silent while people like you defame a conservative U.S. Senator by lying about what his bill says and does.

I have stated that Rubio has expressed his great concern about the plight of illegal immgrants, and that his bill addresses their interests first and better than it addresses the concern of the U. S. Citizen.

That's not a lie. And quite frankly, I don't really care if you remain silent or not. Every time you post on this topic, you bury yourself. Keep it up.

I also am mature enough to know that sometimes things that I don’t support are actually smart politics, since we have these things called elections, and we conservatives are not the only ones allowed to vote.

Okay, then what you you are saying here is that you are mature enough and smart enough to sell out your values to win elections. Boy are you going to be happy with Romney.

Explain to me, the point of winning an election if the guy you elect is going to do things that contribute to destroying this nation. That doesn't evidence smartness or maturity to me. We difinitely have a different understanding of those words.

The notion of deporting an 18-year-old college-bound high school senior who has lived in the U.S. since the age of two because his parents snuck him across the border illegally is not very popular among American voters.

Excepting that the only three public forum polls I have seen on this issue show Obama losing on that very point by a margin of 65 to 75% to 25 to 35%, I'll just let your assertion hang there flapping in the breeze.

You point to polls in which solid majorities oppose Obama’s power grab (I’ll take your word for that—when I clicked on the link you provided to a Washington Post article, I didn’t find any polls), but a huge chunk of the population opposes when a president breaks the law, and another huge chunk opposes a plan that leaves open the possibility of providing amnesty for illegal aliens down the road such as Obama’s executive order, but unfortunately that does not mean that 65%+ of the population wants to deport college-bound high-schoolers or recent college graduates who have lived in the U.S. since the age of two.

ROTFLMAO

This is precisely what Obama decided to do, and the only indication I can see that is revealed by polls on the internet, shows him getting trounced by at least a 2 to 1 margin. Then you ignore that to spout off about what you know to be true, damn the torpedoes full speed ahead. Internet polls are not reliable, but I am not convinced there aren't any Leftist voices on the internet, so much so that Conservatives rule.

The Democrats want to use those more sympathetic cases to try to shove amnesty down our throats, and Rubio cleverly outmaneuvered them by proposing the Republican DREAM Act, which does not create a path to citizenship. The fact that Obama and the Democrats are fighting it tooth and nail tells you something about what it does (take an issue away from the Democrats) and doesn’t do (provide them with a path to citizenship). As I’ve said repeteadly, I would rather give the illegal aliens nothing (which is an easy position to take, since I’m not the one looking at polls and campaigning and fundraising every day to bring a Republican majority to the Senate), but I’m not going to lie about the bill just because I would rather not have it pass, nor will I stand pat while others lie about it.

You seem to be apoplectic that someone might see Rubio for what he is. If it really bothers you that much, I'd suggest you contact the man and tell him to knock off taking measures to make things better for the illegals. He should be taking measures to stop providing any goods or services to them, and helping them to repatriate to their home nation. I am not going to support anything else. We don't do it for any non-Hispanics, so why are we doing it for them? I'm not confortable being seen as a racist. Perhaps that doesn't bother folks like you, Rubio, Romney, or Obama.

Oh, and another tthing. Neither the Rubio bill nor the Obama unconstitutional executive order differentiates between Hispanic and non-Hispanic illegal aliens. Your bigoted little diatribe about how it’s one set of rules for Hispanics and one for everyone else is even more embarrassing than your non-sequiturs regarding the effect of the special visas provided by Rubio’s bill. If you want to start a political movement with the goal of getting rid of Hispanics from the U.S., you’re in the wrong forum. I am the first person to defend opponents of illegal immigration when they are unfairly accused of being anti-Hispanic bigots, but your statements about Rubio’s bill treating Hispanics one way and non-Hispanics another way make it pretty clear that you do not deserve the benefit of the doubt.

The real joy for me of carrying on discussions on this topic with someone that disagrees, is that the moron I'm dealing with always outs themself. I don't have to call you a blithering idiot or a moron, becasue you'll prove it. I just get real satisfaction out of acknowledging what they are. It tweaks them. You're an excellent case in point.

Of course the people who look for any way possible to get illegal immigrants one step closer to full acceptance into our society, avoid using the word Hispanic. Well hell sparky, they don't have to. In excess of 90% of our illegal alien problem is made up by 65 to 75% Mexican citizens, and the rest Central and South American... wait for it... wait for it... wait for it... wait for it... oh yes that's right, HISPANICS.

Oh, and having been thinking about something since 1986 (the year in which President Reagan made the second worst mistake of his presidency (after nominating O’Connor): signing an illegal alien amnesty bill into law that did create a path to citizenship) doesn’t give you any special understanding of bills that you reflexively dismiss without even bothering to find out what’s in them.

Guess who opposed Reagan's inclusion of amnesty in the bill he signed? I have consistantly opposed any bill that takes measures to help out illegal immigrants. Stiffen the penalites, inforce the law, remove perks, ship them back home, that's what I support.

Grant special status, make new rules, in short do anything to make it better for them here, and I oppose it. I've been constant in my take on illegal immigration since I was first confronted with it over forty years ago.

I know, reading is hard, and so is thinking.

Absolutely. You've provent that. And by the way..., thanks Sucks to be you huh.

But that’s what separates educated conservatives from bigots who have to resort to accusing fellow conservatives of being liberal agents.

Acuse you? How about recognize you for what you are. If you've got such a hot education, why is your comprehension level so minimalist?

(And, no, saying “go back to DU” does not make you clever, much less right.)

Sniff, sniff...

Then quite making Democrat Underground arguments here. This is the United States. Rubio, Romney, and Obama's first obligation is to remove crime and foreign nationals from our soil.

People on Democrat Undergound want to advance chaos, illegal immigration, and open our borders. Why, because they want to see our populace swamped by folks not loyal to our principles.

Thank Marx they have you on their side.

That is their God right? Just thought I'd ask an expert.

Jebbie would also be an awful pick, and Jindal is vastly overrated, a really poor economic manager in LA.