Posted on 06/04/2012 3:38:53 PM PDT by marktwain
Wade writes:
Foghorn, my Dad is planning on getting his CCW license, and is already thinking about the handgun to use. But he says that he is going to get a .22lr or something similar, saying that accuracy is more important than force. He has hunted his entire life, and is an extremely good shot with both rifle and pistol, but I think he is too cocky when he says all you need to do is shoot someone in the head and the partys over. How can I convince him that he may not be able to hit what hes aiming at in a high-stress situation, and that he needs to look into a more versatile caliber?
Ive got some bad news your Dad isnt completely wrong. And, because I have nothing better to do today, were going to open up that whole can of worms . . .
Your dad is completely correct in that a properly placed .22lr round will take a man down for good. Despite the relative thickness of the human skull a typical .22lr round does have enough power to successfully penetrate and cause sufficient damage to kill a human from close range. And on the more fleshy bits of a human it is perfectly capable of inflicting some damage.
The issue we run into with the .22lr round, and one that you seem to have correctly identified, is that when you dont hit a particularly useful organ it doesnt do much immediate damage. The best example I can think of in this case is the wild hogs of Texas and the gulf coast, which have a nasty tendency to survive and escape if theyre not hit with a large enough caliber or in the right spot. Humans posess a similar ability to survive extreme punishment and damage without actually dying.
We could sit here all day long until were blue in the fingers discussing the relative merits of the different calibers, but the best solution is always the same: cold, hard data.
About a year ago Greg Ellifritz over at Buckeye Firearms concluded a pretty darn impressive analysis of gunfight data recorded over a 10 year period, the total count of incidents included in his analysis topping 1,800. It doesnt give us a statistically significant look at murders in the United States, but the data is sufficiently large and normal to give us the ability to use his results to compare the effectiveness of different calibers.
Admittedly 9mm does take up a disproportionate percentage of the observations and .32 data is a little skimpy, but its good enough for our purposes. So, using his data, lets take a look at how well the lowly .22 round does compared to other handgun calibers (and shotguns, just for comparison sake).
First things first, lets see what percentage of observed gunfights ended in a fatality for the person on the receiving end.
The graph is pretty clear on this: .22 caliber firearms are just as deadly in a gunfight as any other handgun caliber. In fact, it beat the average (far right). Surprisingly, every caliber that begins with a 4 (.40 S&W, .45, .44 Mag ) performed worse than the .22 caliber firearms in terms of putting the opponent in the dirt for good.
The next thing I thought was interesting was the metric about how many rounds it took to incapacitate the opponent.
In case you were wondering, the smaller the bar in this example the better the round performed. And, in terms of performance in putting the opponent down, only a shotgun beats the .22 round. I get the feeling that in reality you can chop a round off the 9mms numbers, as the double tap has been trained into almost every shooter these days and probably means the numbers are artificially high.
Greg also includes something about a one shot stop percentage, but I dont agree with his methodology on it and is not presented here. Go read up on it at the original site if youre interested.
Theres a small fly in the ointment: the percentage of incidents where the opponent was not incapacitated.
Another chart where large bars are bad, and here the mouseguns arent doing so hot compared to the big boys. However, I get the feeling that this chart is somewhat deceptive with its results. Newer shooters have a tendency to get the smaller guns with smaller calibers, and also have a tendency to not be as well trained as those carrying the larger rounds. So, instead of this chart being an argument against the lowly .22 round I see it as an argument against poor training. As we saw with the last chart, IF you can hit the guy theres a great chance hes going down. But the issue is hitting him, and incorporating some of the accuracy results from the original study seems to back up my suspicions.
So, in short, whats the answer? Is a .22 a good self defense round? According to the numbers, it looks to be among the best in terms of stopping the threat. Add in the fact that its lightweight, low recoil and uses firearms that are ridiculously easy to conceal and you can see where a .22 caliber firearm for concealed carry might be a winner.
So, in the immortal words of HAL, Im sorry Wade, I cant do that. According to the best numbers I could find, I cant come up with a valid reason to convince your Dad to move to a higher caliber. Not only is it an effective round, but its size and weight means that your Dad is more likely to actually carry the gun instead of leaving it at home because it was too inconvenient to bring along. And, as we all know, its often the mere presence of a firearm that can save ones life.
Does that mean Ill be swapping out my Wilson Combat 45ACP 1911 for a Derringer? Hell no. But it doesnt stop me from looking at some of those mouseguns for the hot Texas summer
Thanks for that info!
20-25 bucks for a box of fifty to steep for ya?
But why hasn't he built what I really want, which is one in .22 long rifle?
I’m not sure if the magazine dynamics would be the same, scaled down to .22LR. What is the rim D compared to the overall length of the two? Would a 30 round .22LR magazine work well at all? I’ve had sketchy success with various aftermarket 30 round mags for my 10-22.
Or maybe Mr. Kellegren just has a basic threshold of his own in mind for a “defensive round,” and was not interested in going lighter? (.22 mag ballistics come very close to the much hyped wunderkaliber FN 5.7X28.)
In any event, I’d love to spend an hour or ten in the company of George Kellgren, who I consider a firearms inventing genius with few peers, in the realm of Browning. Even his “misses” are all refreshingly blank sheet of paper. If he wrote a book, I’d buy it. If I met him, I’d have a million questions.
Oh, has it come down in price? That review I posted said it was $30/box. But yes, when ammo starts running more than about four bits per round, I usually switch out of full-auto. ;-)
True enough, but not out of a pistol. 5.7x28mm out of a FiveSeven pistol are similar to .22 mag out of a rifle...which was why the round was developed in the first place.
I'm with archy. I'd like one in .22lr. .22 mag out of a pistol is just an expensive waste of powder.
Concur. His *shrink* rework of the k'pist M45b into the KG 9 [KellGren] was neat and tidy, and was among the designs considered during the JSSAP program during the search for a 9mm smg- the USAF favoured a 9mm CAR-15, the Navy SPECWAR types liked the H&K MP5 and the Army guys wanted the .45 Ingram MAC 10, [compatability with the M1911A1 pistols still then in use by tank crews being a major consideration- the M9 Beretta didn't see adoption until 1985]
But I had the good fortune to meet John Garand [one HELL of a checkers player!] as well as Max Atchisson and Gordon Ingram. They were all geniuses to varying degrees, but maybe more to the point, mechanical problemsolvers.
So far as meeting any designer, of any time? I'd love to spend that hour or ten with John M. Browning, but it'd be a close tossup with Aimo Lahti, the Finnish designer and engineer who passed away in 1970.
I’ll meet you and them all at the Accu-Shot booth at the Great SHOT Show In The Sky. They will all be there. I hope.
Preferably scoped, or with an IR laser aiming module and with NODs.
If comes down to urban warfare the .22LR might be the best round you could have!
Especially after dark. And especially if you've got a suppressor on it. Which is the reason I'd like to have the KelTec .22 magnum autopistol in .22 LR.
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